Woody Colmes and forgotten flies

I seem to be (almost) the only one posting to this newsgroup.
There are a lot of fly tiers out there, and there are (so far) no
insult fests
in this group. You'd think it would get more traffic.

Here (link below) is a forgotten fly that still works. This got me
thinking about forgotten flies.
I'm going to make a bunch this summer, and see if they still work:

The Bi-Visible, Renegade, Gray Hackle Yellow, Professor and Red-tagged
Woolly
Worm are flies that used to be in every shop in Montana--that you
never see
anymore. #18 Renegades work well during Tryco hatches (a mentor just
told me
that yesterday) and you can see them, which isn't necessarily so with
the more
realistic imitations the shops sell now.

..........another forgotten fly:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...mes/index.html

.........another forgotten fly:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...ly-Tiers/Woody...

Thanks for posting, do you have any information on how the fly was/is
fished? My first impression is that it is fished like a streamer, but
if you have historical information on how it's fished, that would be
appreciated.

PENZZZ

On 7 Mar 2007 07:04:00 -0800, "pittendrigh"
wrote:

...another forgotten fly:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...mes/index.html

Sandy, have you ever seen the book Forgotten Flies by Paul Schmookler
and Ingrid V. Sils? It is a very large "coffe table" type book with
more than 500 pages. The flies are Atlantic Salmon flies and
streamers. The colors are breath taking, and the entire book is worth
purchasing even just to look at the wonderfull flies tied by artists
long ago, never mind the hundred of recipes, and the great reading.

There is a section on Carrie Stevens' streamers and we all know they
work. Also sections on John Raymond Bergman, Chrles DeFeo, Mary Orvis
Marbury and Preston Jennings.

Dave

On 7 Mar 2007 15:51:16 -0800, wrote:



.........another forgotten fly:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...ly-Tiers/Woody...

Thanks for posting, do you have any information on how the fly was/is
fished? My first impression is that it is fished like a streamer, but
if you have historical information on how it's fished, that would be
appreciated.

PENZZZ

I should think it could also be fished like a nymph and a wet fly.

Dave

pittendrigh wrote:
I seem to be (almost) the only one posting to this newsgroup.
There are a lot of fly tiers out there, and there are (so far) no
insult fests
in this group. You'd think it would get more traffic.

Here (link below) is a forgotten fly that still works. This got me
thinking about forgotten flies.
I'm going to make a bunch this summer, and see if they still work:

The Bi-Visible, Renegade, Gray Hackle Yellow, Professor and Red-tagged
Woolly
Worm are flies that used to be in every shop in Montana--that you
never see
anymore.

I'd add Bloody Butchers (cool name,) Grey Hackle Peacock and the Potts
flies to your list as popular flies in CO during that period. I still
fish Renegades and Bi-Visibles.

Willi

On Mar 7, 5:36 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
Sandy, have you ever seen the book Forgotten Flies by Paul Schmookler
and Ingrid V. Sils?

Thanks Dave. No I hadn't heard of that book. But now I want it.

In article ,
says...
I still
fish Renegades and Bi-Visibles.


I have great luck fishing Bi-visibles when the trout are feeding on
caddises. If I had to guess why, I would say that the palmered hackle
resembles a caddis fluttering its wings.

Kevin

On Mar 7, 11:18 pm, Kevin Vang wrote:
I have great luck fishing Bi-visibles when the trout are feeding on
caddises. If I had to guess why, I would say that the palmered hackle
resembles a caddis fluttering its wings.

Perhaps--in the dry fly on top of anything but spring creek surfaces--
all
the fish sees is a fuzzy collection of leg-like dimples in
surface film. In other words, on typically broken surfaces, it's
possible
a BiVisible looks roughly the same (to the fish) as an Elk Hair
Caddis.

And if so, why not fish the fly that floats the best, that is
easiest for the fisherman to see.

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...
I still
fish Renegades and Bi-Visibles.


I have great luck fishing Bi-visibles when the trout are feeding on
caddises. If I had to guess why, I would say that the palmered hackle
resembles a caddis fluttering its wings.

Kevin

In "What the Trout Said", Proper puts forth the argument that palmer hackled
dries are pretty much as effective as anything for caddis hatches on broken
or quick moving water. That you can see the contrast of a bivisible while
fishing such waters helps, too. I still carry them in a range of sizes, and
they do work.
Tom

"pittendrigh" wrote


And if so, why not fish the fly that floats the best, that is
easiest for the fisherman to see.



I carry smallish Renegades and fish them fairly often, even on spring
creeks. Usually in a situation where one might be tempted to "ant, or
beetle, the hatch" ... easier to see than an ant or beetle and works for
me .... little rws are good for this too, just much harder to tie G (a
size 20 Royal Wulff is one fly I will buy rather than tie ... even as cheap
as I am :-)