biot and herl

Hi all

i am in need of some goose biots in an amber color and some peacock herl
dyed amber also... my local fly shop has no such item...

anyone have some that they could sell to me...

thanx ... andy

my email is if their are any replies...

thanx .. again

Andy

A few years ago, someone gave me a white ()read light) feather, but I had
the impression that the color was natural: from an albino, or just a
throwback on a bird. I would be surprised if the dark feathers could b dyed
a light color, because they would first have to be bleached, and I would
guess that would burn off most of the herl. If you get a source, I would
also be interested
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Hi all

i am in need of some goose biots in an amber color and some peacock herl
dyed amber also... my local fly shop has no such item...

anyone have some that they could sell to me...

thanx ... andy




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I picked up a couple packages of white biots at the Michaels craft
store a while back,, made some cream ones by dying the white in black
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"Andy Klinstiver" wrote in message
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Hi all

i am in need of some goose biots in an amber color and some peacock herl
dyed amber also... my local fly shop has no such item...

anyone have some that they could sell to me...

thanx ... andy

Buy white biots. Wind them in a helix around a 1/16 inch wood dowel, a
knitting needle, or whatever else you can find, so that the individual barbs
stand out from the core you wind them around, and tie off at both ends. Buy
a three pound bag of ordinary yellow onions. Take all the dry papery skins
off the onions and boil them in about a pint of water for ten minutes.
Remove the infusion from heat and insert the biots. Remove the biots every
minute or so and examine until they obtain the shade you desire. Rinse in
cold tap water. Air dry.

Peacock herl can be treated in a similar fashion.....after bleaching.....but
I can't think of a good reason to go to all the trouble. Peacock herl in
it's natural color is THE magic fly tying material.

Wolfgang

Andy Klinstiver" BRBR
i am in need of some goose biots in an amber color and some peacock herl
dyed amber also BRBR
English Angling Trappings sells colored peacock herl (assuming you mean the
herl, the fibers, and not the underlying quill) and I have purchased some in
the past (though I'm not sure they have amber). But I don't think that it is
particularly useful since the natural peacock colors and the natural sheen seem
to me to be the primary value of the herl.
GKT

Wolfgang wrote:

"Andy Klinstiver" wrote in message
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Hi all

i am in need of some goose biots in an amber color and some peacock herl
dyed amber also... my local fly shop has no such item...

anyone have some that they could sell to me...

thanx ... andy

Peacock herl can be treated in a similar fashion.....after bleaching.....but
I can't think of a good reason to go to all the trouble. Peacock herl in
it's natural color is THE magic fly tying material.


Leaving peacock herl on a sunny window sill will cause it to take on a
golden hue while still keeping much of its irridescence. It won't be
amber, but will be closer.

Willi

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Wolfgang wrote:

"Andy Klinstiver" wrote in message
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Hi all

i am in need of some goose biots in an amber color and some peacock herl
dyed amber also... my local fly shop has no such item...

anyone have some that they could sell to me...

thanx ... andy

Peacock herl can be treated in a similar fashion.....after
bleaching.....but
I can't think of a good reason to go to all the trouble. Peacock herl
in
it's natural color is THE magic fly tying material.


Leaving peacock herl on a sunny window sill will cause it to take on a
golden hue while still keeping much of its irridescence. It won't be
amber, but will be closer.


If memory serves, some of it is sold in more or less that color under a
rubric that escapes me just now. I suspect that UV bleaching (if that's how
the color is typically obtained) is about as deleterious (think sunburn) as
chlorine bleaching, but that's just a guess. At any rate, while variant
colors of peacock herl may be interesting for one reason or another, the
original article in it's natural colors is still one of the very few really
magical materials available to the fly tier. If the object is catching
fish, as opposed to experimentation for its own sake (not a bad thing, to be
sure), best to leave well enough alone.

Meanwhile, stripped peacock herl is a wonderful material for quill
bodies......a matter that came up here recently, I believe.....and is best
obtained by roughly the same method used for stripped hackle quills. Simply
hold the feather tightly near the tip end and, using the nail of the index
finger and the pad of the thumb on the other hand, squeeze and pull down
along the shank. It will take several repetitions to remove all of the
barbules. For hackles, the difference is that one grabs half a dozen to a
dozen or so of the barbules with finger and thumb and pulls them sharply
down toward the butt of the feather, just as one would to harvest them for
tailing, wings, etc. Repeat as many times as necessary to remove all of
them. Anyone who routinely uses hackle barbs for tails and wings (a very
good thing to do) will necessarily have a good supply of quill bodies ready
to hand.

Wolfgang
um......bronze herl?.....is that it?

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Wolfgang wrote:


Wolfgang
um......bronze herl?.....is that it?

That's it. I don't find that sun bleaching changes the properties except
for changing the green to a goldish color. It still keeps its
iridescence which is what I think makes peacock herl effective. Someone
wants an amber herl, the sun bleaching will get him close without losing
the iridescence that bleaching and dying will destroy.

However, we have very little understanding of how a trout perceives
color. We do know that they perceive farther into the ultra violet and
infra red part of the spectrum than we do. Any color matching with our
eyes is likely to be erroneous in terms of how a trout perceives the
color. Matching color is for the tyer not the fish, IMO. Choosing color
by how the trout responds, is a different case.


Willi