vise

On Thu, 22 May 2008 09:03:01 -0400, Andy B
wrote:

Honestly, I think this post has gotten off the deep end. As a tyer who
demonstrates in shows, tyes for other people and of course myself there
is no right vise or wrong vise as well as tools. Now for a beginner I do
recomend a thompson or and HMH vise or a regal and so on. Also some of
those knock off vises do not have good hook holding capabilities or
requires a constant adjustment when simply going from hook to hook.

I learned on a Thompson knock-off that cost me $20. I have since
given it and other cheap vises I have acquired to newbies. All too
often I have seen someone go out and spend more than $100 on a vise,
only to use it a few times and decide it is easier (and less
expensive) to buy flies than tie them. THAT is why I tell newbies to
start off slowly and not initially invest too much money in their
tools, equipment, and supplies. If the person wants to continue fly
tying then he can invest in better equipment and he *should buy the
best he can afford.*

If anyone is going off the deep end it is you bragging about your
tying success and knowledge of the art. The guy was looking for
advise, not chest thumping.

hth, bidi.

Dave



Far
as tools like bobbin, whip finisher and so on, cheap tools adds more
issues to complicate tying. To a new tyer everything seems complicated
at first. Why would you want to add to it. Not everyone can use their
hands and others have physical issues. Tools and other types of vises
can help these people tye and enjoy the hobby, that what I'm talking
about. I do not like the Nor Vise. Other people do. It's not for me. I
love my Renzetti Master, you might love your Barracuda. The bottom line
is are you tying flies and enjoying yourself. I can tye a beautiful show
quality wet fly on My Renzetti or my first vise which was a Thompson
model A or a Regal or an HMH or Barracuda and with some practice I
believe I could tye one on a Nor Vise as well. This topic is like a
Ford vs Chevy vs Chrysler and so on. Try spending more time helping
beginners instead of critisizing the type of vise they tye on or the
tools they use or dont' use.