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Old July 8th, 2008, 07:12 AM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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Default Is Crayfish a Fish - EA Licence

I'm trapping american crayfish and do I need a licence?? The EA
website indicates that a licence is needed for "Anyone aged 12 years
or over who fishes for salmon, trout, freshwater fish or eels in
England and Wales is required by law to have an Environment Agency Rod
Fishing Licence."

Well, a crayfish is a shellfish, or more correctly a crustacean, and
as far as I am aware it is not a fish. I am also not using a rod, but
a trap. So in terms of plain english and definitions I do not require
a licence.

TVMIA
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Old July 8th, 2008, 08:50 AM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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"CS" wrote in message
...
I'm trapping american crayfish and do I need a licence?? The EA
website indicates that a licence is needed for "Anyone aged 12 years
or over who fishes for salmon, trout, freshwater fish or eels in
England and Wales is required by law to have an Environment Agency Rod
Fishing Licence."

Well, a crayfish is a shellfish, or more correctly a crustacean, and
as far as I am aware it is not a fish. I am also not using a rod, but
a trap. So in terms of plain english and definitions I do not require
a licence.


I think you will find that a "Trap" could be deemed to be an "Illegal
instument" if used unlicenced.
You need to read the Full conditions from the EA and not the Rod Licence
regulations.

Bye Laws are different from one region to another.

KW


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Old July 8th, 2008, 09:18 AM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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In article ,
CS wrote:
I'm trapping american crayfish and do I need a licence?? The EA


In areas with signals only permits are free - but you do have to have the
permit.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...87835/1087809/

Provides contact information - (phone) for local info.

Cheerio,

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Old July 12th, 2008, 08:11 PM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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Pulling signal crayfish out the size of small lobsters. Amazing.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 12:05 AM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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In article ,
CS wrote:
Pulling signal crayfish out the size of small lobsters. Amazing.


I've not been following any research but they must be having a significant
effect on fish stocks - I wonder if they're anything to do with the eel
situation.

Consider: a large, tough, prolific, scavenger has to clear up a lot of what
would otherwise have been food for bottom feeding fish, they must take a lot
of fish spawn and might even be predators in their own right.

Boil 'em for five minutes and serve with dill sauce.

Cheerio,

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Old August 17th, 2008, 12:31 PM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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Don't like dill, will salad cream do.VBG

I thought signal crays were known to predate on small fry and young eels
have to be easy pickings for such a set of claws I would have thought.

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"Derek Moody" wrote in message
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In article
,
CS wrote:
Pulling signal crayfish out the size of small lobsters. Amazing.


I've not been following any research but they must be having a significant
effect on fish stocks - I wonder if they're anything to do with the eel
situation.

Consider: a large, tough, prolific, scavenger has to clear up a lot of
what
would otherwise have been food for bottom feeding fish, they must take a
lot
of fish spawn and might even be predators in their own right.

Boil 'em for five minutes and serve with dill sauce.

Cheerio,

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Old August 17th, 2008, 12:51 PM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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In article , Gandalf
URL:mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Don't like dill, will salad cream do.VBG


OK, a*generous squeeze of lemon and brown bread and butter - thinly sliced
cucumber is optional extra.

I thought signal crays were known to predate on small fry and young eels
have to be easy pickings for such a set of claws I would have thought.


Yes. What I haven't seen is any sort of survey of the effect of a
population of signals on the rest of the ecosystem. Do they just cream off
a surplus or is there a significant shift?

Cheerio,

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Old August 17th, 2008, 11:37 PM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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I have not heard of any studies on the effect of this but many prominent
anglers seem to suggest the increase in large fish on rivers is down to them
eating the signals. They have been there for awhile so you would think the
Rivers Authority would have done some studies.

Like the idea of the lemon but brown bread kills the old tummy and cucumber
repeats so I am guessing a good crusty bit of break and an ice cold cider,
no finesse me.VBG

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"Derek Moody" wrote in message
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In article , Gandalf
URL:mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Don't like dill, will salad cream do.VBG


OK, a generous squeeze of lemon and brown bread and butter - thinly sliced
cucumber is optional extra.

I thought signal crays were known to predate on small fry and young eels
have to be easy pickings for such a set of claws I would have thought.


Yes. What I haven't seen is any sort of survey of the effect of a
population of signals on the rest of the ecosystem. Do they just cream
off
a surplus or is there a significant shift?

Cheerio,

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Old August 18th, 2008, 01:38 AM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
Derek Moody
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In article , Gandalf
URL:mailto:[email protected] wrote:
I have not heard of any studies on the effect of this but many prominent
anglers seem to suggest the increase in large fish on rivers is down to them
eating the signals.


It might equally be the effect of a large percentage of the young stock
being eaten and so there is little competition for the (dwindling) food
resource - those adults that do survive therefore grow well.

This is all very well until there are a few hard years in a row when the
populations might be distorted. For eg: How many small tench are surviving?
What about bream?

We know that eels are already under pressure - will this add to the problem?

They have been there for awhile so you would think the
Rivers Authority would have done some studies.


I'm sure someone has looked at it but so far (OK I haven't tried very hard)
I've seen no hard figures.

Like the idea of the lemon but brown bread kills the old tummy and cucumber
repeats so I am guessing a good crusty bit of break and an ice cold cider,
no finesse me.VBG


I'll take my cider at cellar temperature thanks - but use the signals
anywhere a tv cook would use tiger prawns or langoustine** and you won't go
far wrong.

Cheerio,

** Just double the portions and pile the plate up anyhow ;-)

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Old August 20th, 2008, 08:48 AM posted to uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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"Jon" wrote in message
...
Derek Moody wrote...

In article , Gandalf
URL:mailto:[email protected] wrote:
I have not heard of any studies on the effect of this but many
prominent
anglers seem to suggest the increase in large fish on rivers is down to
them
eating the signals.


It might equally be the effect of a large percentage of the young stock
being eaten and so there is little competition for the (dwindling) food
resource - those adults that do survive therefore grow well.

This is all very well until there are a few hard years in a row when the
populations might be distorted. For eg: How many small tench are
surviving?
What about bream?

We know that eels are already under pressure - will this add to the
problem?

They have been there for awhile so you would think
the
Rivers Authority would have done some studies.


I'm sure someone has looked at it but so far (OK I haven't tried very
hard)
I've seen no hard figures.

Like the idea of the lemon but brown bread kills the old tummy and
cucumber
repeats so I am guessing a good crusty bit of break and an ice cold
cider,
no finesse me.VBG


I'll take my cider at cellar temperature thanks - but use the signals
anywhere a tv cook would use tiger prawns or langoustine** and you won't
go
far wrong.



http://www.environment-
agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/342184/1205879/?lang=_e


American signal crayfish

American crayfish in UK streams and rivers are threatening our
indigenous crayfish. Where have they come from and how do they threaten
their native cousins?


http://www.defra.gov.uk/fish/freshwater/crayfish.htm

Richard


 




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