Dems give up hope of 2008 Presidential bid?

Opus wrote:

"xorbit" wrote in message
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Opus wrote:

That didn't stop the Dems from nominating Carter and Clinton. And I
imagine there are numerous other examples of candidates having no REAL
presidential experience, on both sides of the isle. What will matter to
the Dems is the public poll ratings of the out front candidate, IMMHO.

Op

Both were governors, not freshmen senators.


And that somehow makes the two of them more qualified, in what manner?

Op

Certainly a disappointing question.

The last elected president that came out of the U.S. Congress or Senate
was Nixon and he was VP under Eisenhower. So he had experience in the
executive branch.

Governors have experience in executive government.

Certainly a disappointing question.

"xorbit" wrote in message
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Certainly a disappointing question.

The last elected president that came out of the U.S. Congress or Senate
was Nixon and he was VP under Eisenhower. So he had experience in the
executive branch.

Governors have experience in executive government.

Certainly a disappointing question.

Certainly a disappointing response.

So, in your opinion, the only person qualified to be president is a former
Senator, Governor, or Congressman?

Very disappointing indeed! It's no wonder that we end up with the likes of
Bush, if folks like yourself are incapable of considering candidates with
out prior political experience.

Funny, I don't recall seeing such a requirement for presidential candidates
anywhere in the founders written documents.

Op

On Jan 23, 3:04 pm, JR wrote:
xorbit wrote:
jeff wrote:
rb608 wrote:
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Not to worry, JR......I know these boys.....they'll catch up.

Wolfgang

Opus wrote:
"xorbit" wrote in message
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Certainly a disappointing question.

The last elected president that came out of the U.S. Congress or Senate
was Nixon and he was VP under Eisenhower. So he had experience in the
executive branch.

Governors have experience in executive government.

Certainly a disappointing question.


Certainly a disappointing response.

So, in your opinion, the only person qualified to be president is a former
Senator, Governor, or Congressman?

i didn't give any opinion at all, and I didn't say that. You are saying
that. I only gave the historical perspective.

I also said that the last congressman or senator elected to president
was Nixon and he had also been a VP prior to that. That makes the last
5 presidents former governors.

Larry L wrote:

"jeff" wrote


if she garners the nomination, the red state south will become a neon
bright crimson state south. folks down here don't give a damn if she's a
capable candidate. the visceral vibes alone kill her as someone who can
carry the south. imo, the dems only hope down here is for a new blood
moderate... i'll be surprised if she gets 25% of the dem vote in nc, but
the party machine and the general swell of humiliation, fear, and disgust
with bush politics and policies might surmount even such a "wrong
candidate" in nc. we'll see. i'm still on the obama train til we get
derailed...



I gave Obama a few of my hard earned bucks the day his Exploratory Committee
was announced. From what I have seen so far I can vote FOR him, not
against whoever else is on the ballot.

But I think his is an uphill battle.

if we can get a strong voter turnout, particularly minority voters, he
has a chance in some of the south. a brilliant moderate democrat who can
find acceptance in a broad range of the demo party and independents.


As for Red states turning crimson ... on election day, once a red state,
even a pink one, it doesn't much matter if by 1% or 45% ... our system
simply isn't suited to a modern world where the electronic media powered
interaction of ideas leads to far less geographical uniformity of thought
than 200 years ago. Hell, I hear there are even liberals in North Carolina
now !! and I heard a rumor of one being seen in Texas.

umm...if you get any names, please let me know. it's been mighty lonely
here.

hope to find you one of these summers when i'm out west. you can only
hide so long. g

jeff

jeff

"xorbit" wrote in message
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i didn't give any opinion at all, and I didn't say that. You are saying
that. I only gave the historical perspective.

I also said that the last congressman or senator elected to president was
Nixon and he had also been a VP prior to that. That makes the last 5
presidents former governors.

Well you never answered my original question. Just because the last five
presidents have been former governors doesn't mean that the electorate won't
shift to a senator or congressman in the future, or some populist candidate
who has never held public office, for that matter. It is my considered
opinion that Obama is as qualified as any other person, who might be
considered for the office of POTUS.

History is replete with congressmen and senators being elected to POTUS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...l_occu pation

Which governor out of the following lists do you expect to see in the White
House in 2008?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officia...can_candidates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officia...tic_candidates

Op

..... i'm still on the obama train til we get derailed...

What are your words of wisdom about Edwards, Jeff?

vince

vincent p. norris wrote:
..... i'm still on the obama train til we get derailed...


What are your words of wisdom about Edwards, Jeff?

vince

though i'm rarely short on words, i've no wisdom on anything political
[as well as innumerable other things].

edwards is tainted by the last run, imo. great guy, capable,
intelligent, works very hard at everything he undertakes. really was a
good and compassionate lawyer. not as good a senator, primarily because
he abandoned the job early to try to get a better one. i'm ****ed at
him. i gave money & worked locally to help elect him to the senate as a
democrat. we needed him as a senator, for the good of our state. despite
his iraq stance, he had real potential to make a difference. he gave up
the senate too early in his political career to pursue a personal and
larger ambition that allowed his seat in the senate to go to Dole.
perhaps he thought he might not get reelected to the senate, but i doubt
it. nc needed him in the senate, not as a vice president.