Need help finding an underwater Baetis fly

On 2010-08-12 20:37:10 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 7:01*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:35:44 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 11, 7:51*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-11 20:42:35 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 11, 7:38*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-11 20:30:26 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 11, 11:13*am, Todd wrote:

p.s. as an aside, the picture that goes with a fascinating
explanation by Ralph. *Those of you that love the
biology behind such things will find the male's
imitating the females behavior fascinating as well.
The code to oviposit must not be on the X-Y gene
sequence. *You can never know enough about trout
or their food. *(My opinion, yours my vary.)

Can't help you with your question but if your interested in the sex
ua
l
quirks of bugs and other crittes you should read "Dr Tatiana's Sex
Advice to All Creation" by Olivia Judson, an extremely interesting
an
d
edifying look at evolutionary biology.

giles
p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i couldn't
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang. *
Im
men
sely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

d;o) *And you are so predictable. *A one trick pony.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

Giddy up, pony. *Giddy up.

Imbecile.

g.

Yippee ay ki yay get along little doggie. Fun ridin' my new pony.
Don't make me use my spurs little pony.

Yippee ay ki yay get along little doggie.......

d;o)

On 2010-08-12 20:37:37 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 7:02*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 18:43:02 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 2:50*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 15:14:12 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/12/2010 11:30 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:

Oh, yes. And everyone need a stalker in their life. Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. But Giles is only a one trick pony. Don't count on him fo
r
very much more than that. And he loves to stalk too.

For some unexplained reason, Giles is actually endearing.

Yes, and cuddly too.

I can not explain why.

No one can.

*I am still waiting for him to honor
my request and call me a "nitwit". *Giles is Giles. *And
he righteously called you on your behavior.

He did? *Who'da thunk it.

Stalkstalkstalk. *Everyone of roff stalks.

If I were they rest of you, I would take offense. *They are
gentleman. *They do not stalk. *You do. *Do any of them
call others stupid or swear at them because they do not
like the caliber of their questions/comments? *Do the rest of them
seek out (stalk) any other individuals and actively try to
discredit them? *You are the one that acts like a prat.
And, with the exception of one other person, the rest respect my
request for anonymity.

You really believe that? *Come out of your closet, fish with these g
uys
and you will get to know them. *Fortenberry's words and advice to yo
u
are very true. *Anonymous people, especially with anonymous/fake isp
are not the same. *If I or someone else wanted to speak privately to
you with advise or whatever, how could they reach you. *They can't.
*
You are a black hole asking dumb questions, and acting like a troll.
*
Are you a troll?

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

I was wondering if that hurt on not. *If you stop reading my
posts, maybe your eyes will recover. *It is a "discussion"
group.

It soytenly is a discussion group, and that's what you and I are doing
right now. *Duh!

*Don't read the posts you do not like.

I gotta read them, Todd. *How else can I amuse myself? *Well, othe
r
than *that*? d;o(

*(I do not
read the political posts -- way too nasty.)

Eww. *Yes. *One must escape all the nastiness he (or she) can. *
Lit
tle
11 yo girls have no business discussing politics anyway.

-T

Chief Stalker LaCourse, sir.

Idiot.

g.

Giddy up. *This is fun. *Never had my own pony.

d;o)

Moron.

g.

Hmmmm. You be more like a jackass than a pony. I guess you are the
first one trick jackass.

d;o)
Yippee ay ki yay...........

On Aug 12, 8:10*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 20:37:10 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 7:01*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:35:44 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 11, 7:51*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-11 20:42:35 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 11, 7:38*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-11 20:30:26 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 11, 11:13*am, Todd wrote:

p.s. as an aside, the picture that goes with a fascinating
explanation by Ralph. *Those of you that love the
biology behind such things will find the male's
imitating the females behavior fascinating as well.
The code to oviposit must not be on the X-Y gene
sequence. *You can never know enough about trout
or their food. *(My opinion, yours my vary.)

Can't help you with your question but if your interested in the sex
ua
l
quirks of bugs and other crittes you should read "Dr Tatiana's Sex
Advice to All Creation" by Olivia Judson, an extremely interesting
an
d
edifying look at evolutionary biology.

giles
p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i couldn't
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang. *
Im
men
sely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

d;o) *And you are so predictable. *A one trick pony.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

Giddy up, pony. *Giddy up.

Imbecile.

g.

Yippee ay ki yay get along little doggie. *Fun ridin' my new pony. *
Don't make me use my spurs little pony.

Yippee ay ki yay get along little doggie.......

d;o)

Dumbass.

g.
or skinner.....maybe.....who knows?.....who cares?

On 2010-08-12 17:59:31 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/12/2010 02:52 PM, Giles wrote:
All you've managed to do
thus far is to pick up a couple of notorious fools who cannot beg,
borrow or steal, let alone invent a novel way of making absolute asses
of themselves.

You probably are correct. It was bad judgment on my part to argue
with them -- rise to the bait, so to speak.


g.
oh, by the way, you might want to take a look at swisher's and
richards' "no hackles" and/or some old classic flies (wet or
dry).....the kind made with paired duck quill wings.....for some ideas
relevant to your quest.

I love them. They are about 85% of what I was looking
for. I will be spending a lot of time of that site staring.

I did notice on his flies page, he give a black and white
picture of a Baetis spinner. So, he is actually trying
to match the little buggers.

http://www.dougswisher.com/flies.htm


Do you mean the figure at top left? snort chortle That is a drawing
of the actual spinner, NOT one that he has tied. What a maroon.

My sides are hurting .........

On Aug 12, 8:11*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 20:37:37 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 7:02*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 18:43:02 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 2:50*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 15:14:12 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/12/2010 11:30 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:

Oh, yes. And everyone need a stalker in their life. Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. But Giles is only a one trick pony. Don't count on him fo
r
very much more than that. And he loves to stalk too.

For some unexplained reason, Giles is actually endearing.

Yes, and cuddly too.

I can not explain why.

No one can.

*I am still waiting for him to honor
my request and call me a "nitwit". *Giles is Giles. *And
he righteously called you on your behavior.

He did? *Who'da thunk it.

Stalkstalkstalk. *Everyone of roff stalks.

If I were they rest of you, I would take offense. *They are
gentleman. *They do not stalk. *You do. *Do any of them
call others stupid or swear at them because they do not
like the caliber of their questions/comments? *Do the rest of them
seek out (stalk) any other individuals and actively try to
discredit them? *You are the one that acts like a prat.
And, with the exception of one other person, the rest respect my
request for anonymity.

You really believe that? *Come out of your closet, fish with these g
uys
and you will get to know them. *Fortenberry's words and advice to yo
u
are very true. *Anonymous people, especially with anonymous/fake isp
are not the same. *If I or someone else wanted to speak privately to
you with advise or whatever, how could they reach you. *They can't..
*
You are a black hole asking dumb questions, and acting like a troll.
*
Are you a troll?

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

I was wondering if that hurt on not. *If you stop reading my
posts, maybe your eyes will recover. *It is a "discussion"
group.

It soytenly is a discussion group, and that's what you and I are doing
right now. *Duh!

*Don't read the posts you do not like.

I gotta read them, Todd. *How else can I amuse myself? *Well, othe
r
than *that*? d;o(

*(I do not
read the political posts -- way too nasty.)

Eww. *Yes. *One must escape all the nastiness he (or she) can. *
Lit
tle
11 yo girls have no business discussing politics anyway.

-T

Chief Stalker LaCourse, sir.

Idiot.

g.

Giddy up. *This is fun. *Never had my own pony.

d;o)

Moron.

g.

Hmmmm. *You be more like a jackass than a pony. *I guess you are the
first one trick jackass.

The first? Not likely.

d;o)
Yippee ay ki yay..........

g.
flattered.....and humbled.....but, i repeat myself.

On 2010-08-12 21:25:55 -0400, Giles said:

g.
flattered.....and humbled.....but, i repeat myself.

Of course you repeat yourself. You're a one trick pony.....or is that jackass?

Davey d;o)

On Aug 12, 8:52*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 21:25:55 -0400, Giles said:

g.
flattered.....and humbled.....but, i repeat myself.

Of course you repeat yourself. *You're a one trick pony.....or is that jackass?

Davey * d;o)

Moron.

Pig.

g.

On Aug 12, 7:06*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:52:59 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 1:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 13:48:57 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/11/2010 05:42 PM, Giles wrote:

p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i couldn't
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang. *I
mmensely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

Hi Giles,

I never thought these words would escape from my fingers, but I have
kind of missed you in your short absence from these pages. *Just
a little bit. *Not that much. *Don't get the swelled head.

I figured congress went on recess and you finally got a chance to
do some fishing. *:-)

-T

Oh, yes. *And everyone need a stalker in the life. *Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. *But Giles is only a one trick pony. *Don't count on him f
or
very much more than that. *And he loves to stalk too. *Stalkstalkstal
k.
*Everyone of roff stalks.

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

Moron.

g.

Keep on riding. *You're doing youself proud, Pony Boy.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

On 08/12/2010 06:07 PM, Giles wrote:

Thank you! I will have to find one in a store. May not get to
go fishing for a few weeks though. :'( Hmmm. Maybe I could get
the flyshop to tie some for me.

Why not tie your own?

If I get two hours on the river a month, I am doing
really well. It is probably what keeps me from dying
from stress. I just do not have the time. It sucks.

You will fid this interesting (Ralph Cutter again):
http://www.flyline.com/tips_trivia/golden_trout_2/

As trout leave the lakes to spawn in tributary
streams they are suckers for roe flies. Orange
3mm pom-poms (available at craft stores) speared
on a #14 hook and held in place with a few turns
of thread are irresistible.

I am probably up to that. :-)


-T

Why is it my stalker can call me a "nitwit" and you
refuse? It does not mean anything if it does not
come from you. Maybe if I think up something really,
really stupid. Aw man. My brain hurts. I just can't
do it. Oh hell. Maybe next time.

On 08/12/2010 04:21 PM, Tom Littleton wrote:
wrote in message
...
Hi All,

One of my pet project for about a year now is to
find a fly (I do not tie my own) that imitates an
underwater ovipositing Baetis spinner. I have come
up dry.


well, 47 posts later, here are my feeble thoughts:
First, photo aside, most submerged baetis will be pretty disheveled once
they go below the surface.
Second, although far from a perfect imitation, I've always done well with a
small(say, size 18) Olive brown Submerger wet, tied as follows:

Hook--2xl #18,20 nymph hook
Thread--Danville Olive/Brown 6/0
Tails--3 strands mallard flank, about 1 1/2 times shank
length
Body--loop dubbed mix of squirrel fur and sparkle yarn,
a brownish olive shade, ribbed with very fine
silver wire. Body to about 2 eye widths behind
eye of hook.
Hackle--two turns grey partridge.

I've watched native browns in small streams, with gin clear water, come up
to these fished deep and simply inhale them without stopping their swimming
motion. See how they work for you and get back to us.

Tom



Hi Tom,

My shop shop has agreed to tie me some, *if* I can provide
them a picture. Do you have a link or a link to something close?

Many thanks,
-T