Comments please

Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picture http://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black

On 25 May 2007 08:33:26 -0700, Da wrote:

Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picture http://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black

Uh, that's a Spam Griffith's Gnat, known as an SGG in the trade.

hth

"Da" wrote in message
ups.com...
Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picture http://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black
It has become obvious that pointing out to you that using this site to
further your commercial ambitions is wrong, has no effect on you.
Perhaps pointing out to you a better method for you to find out what makes
different patterns popular and effective might steer you away from improper
use of this site:

If you are going to attempt to tie commercially you should do some reading
about why different fly patterns were developed and not just try to roughly
immitate patterns you may have seen. For instance, a Griffith's Gnat is
effective when tiny midges are hatching and are swarming on the surface. The
fly is meant to imitate a clump of these midges, and to be a good imitation,
is tied in size 18 or smaller. This type information is readily available
in most books on flytying and flyfishing and that (books) would be where
you should be spending time at before trying to start a commercial f;ytying
enterprise, rather than here.
Also, though you list Grizzley hackle in your materials list (which is the
correct ingredient), the fly as shown is tied with white hackle.

Bob Weinberger

Bob Weinberger wrote:

"Da" wrote in message
ups.com...

Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picture http://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black

It has become obvious that pointing out to you that using this site to
further your commercial ambitions is wrong, has no effect on you.
Perhaps pointing out to you a better method for you to find out what makes
different patterns popular and effective might steer you away from improper
use of this site:

If you are going to attempt to tie commercially you should do some reading
about why different fly patterns were developed and not just try to roughly
immitate patterns you may have seen. For instance, a Griffith's Gnat is
effective when tiny midges are hatching and are swarming on the surface. The
fly is meant to imitate a clump of these midges, and to be a good imitation,
is tied in size 18 or smaller. This type information is readily available
in most books on flytying and flyfishing and that (books) would be where
you should be spending time at before trying to start a commercial f;ytying
enterprise, rather than here.
Also, though you list Grizzley hackle in your materials list (which is the
correct ingredient), the fly as shown is tied with white hackle.

Bob Weinberger

It also appears that you need to go out an buy a hackle gauge. They few
flies i've actually looked at, have hackle 2-3 times too big for the fly.

No comment on the spam.....other than it really doesn't taste as bad as
it looks.....my opinion of course.

brians

Da wrote:
Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picture http://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black


It sucks, big time. The hackle is ridiculous.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Da wrote:
Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picture http://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black


Da:

You asked for feedback on a particular fly pattern,
but you included a link back to a commercial website
where you sell flies. Most readers will conclude
you really didn't care about feedback or comments.
They'll assume you are really trying to advertise your site.

If you asked questions that only included a link to a photo,
rather than a link to a "flies for sale" page, then you wouldn't
get so much negative feedback (when you go swimming
in shark-filled lagoon, you have to swim carefully).

On 5ÔÂ26ÈÕ, ÏÂÎç8ʱ04·Ö, sandy wrote:
Da wrote:
Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picturehttp://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black

Da:

You asked for feedback on a particular fly pattern,
but you included a link back to a commercial website
where you sell flies. Most readers will conclude
you really didn't care about feedback or comments.
They'll assume you are really trying to advertise your site.

If you asked questions that only included a link to a photo,
rather than a link to a "flies for sale" page, then you wouldn't
get so much negative feedback (when you go swimming
in shark-filled lagoon, you have to swim carefully).

Most people said my post is a spam. Are they totally blind or
something? The pattern are not even in the sales products list. How
dare you say I was posting a spam. Here is another question. Is that
important I have put the pattern to my business website or somewhere.
I posted a pattern and wanted to know the comments. The link is only
to the pattern but nothing else. So what???
In China, it is not easy to find the right hackle cause there is no
fly shop in China!!! It looks like you are tapping on the computer and
teasing other who even do not have computer why they do not use
computer to do the work. Do you know, to tie the flies I also have to
make the tying tools myself. I know the tying tools could help the
tyer a lot when tying. It does not mean I can not pay for that. Cause
I have not found a flyshop which could ship them to China. And I also
have problem for paying them(I asked a friend to buy me some, but I
have not got yet). You guys know nothing about how different it is
tying a fly in China.
In your country you can buy all materials from local fishshop or ebay.
Go and ask your friends who lives in China whether they could buy a
tying vise, bobbings or any thing about fly tying tools in China. I
was so disappointed about the no sense comments.

On 5ÔÂ26ÈÕ, ÏÂÎç8ʱ04·Ö, sandy wrote:
Da wrote:
Here is a pattern called Griffith's Gnat. It is a quite simple
pattern. I would like to hear different voices about this pattern. I
appreciate it.
picturehttp://www.versacorp.cn/news/27.html
Hook: Mustad 539 size 14#
Body: peacock herl
Hackle: grizzly palm hackle
Thread: black

Da:

You asked for feedback on a particular fly pattern,
but you included a link back to a commercial website
where you sell flies. Most readers will conclude
you really didn't care about feedback or comments.
They'll assume you are really trying to advertise your site.

If you asked questions that only included a link to a photo,
rather than a link to a "flies for sale" page, then you wouldn't
get so much negative feedback (when you go swimming
in shark-filled lagoon, you have to swim carefully).

Thank you for your advises. Maybe I will build my own space to post my
tyings.

On 26 May 2007 07:07:09 -0700, Da wrote:

Thank you for your advises. Maybe I will build my own space to post my
tyings.

Ta da! A light shines in China!

When you post a fly pattern, please do not post it at a commercial fly
fishing web page. That is all we are asking. Your original post was
spam because it brought us not simply to a fly pattern, but also to a
fly fishing website.

There are many ways you can post a picture without being commercial
about it. If you insist on posting to a commercial business, expect
accusation of spamming this ng.

Dave

On 5ÔÂ26ÈÕ, ÏÂÎç11ʱ57·Ö, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On 26 May 2007 07:07:09 -0700, Da wrote:

Thank you for your advises. Maybe I will build my own space to post my
tyings.

Ta da! A light shines in China!

When you post a fly pattern, please do not post it at a commercial fly
fishing web page. That is all we are asking. Your original post was
spam because it brought us not simply to a fly pattern, but also to a
fly fishing website.

There are many ways you can post a picture without being commercial
about it. If you insist on posting to a commercial business, expect
accusation of spamming this ng.

Dave

Sure, I will post the pictures on some other places but not the
commercial website.

The hackle problem has confused me for a long time. But I finally
found the reason why my tying pattern have a long hackle cause I did
not use the genetic hackle to tie a dry fly. You know, your guys know
it is very common to tie a dry fly pattern with genetic hackle. But in
my tying box, there is no genetic hackle inside. In China, it is
impossible to buy a genetic hackle. And most of the tying books, they
also do not mention the genetic hackle to tie a dry fly. They only
told you that you should use the rooster neck feather to tie a dry
fly. If possible, I really want to buy some genetic hackle to redo the
pattern or my other patterns. After that I think I can show those
pictures again to your guys to check them out.

I appologize what I have said yesterday. I do not mean to hurt anyone
in this forum. I think we could call it a misunderstanding. On one
side, your guys did not know there is no genetic hackle in China and
thought why I posted a wrong pattern to ruin original one (ruin your
culture? I am so scared. Just kidding). On the other side, I tried to
select the smallest rooster neck feather to tie the fly and I really
want to follow the original pattern.

I posted a few patterns on this forum to know the reason why my flies
always have a long hackle than yours. Before posting, I have been
ready for some no-sense teasings and laughings. I think the result is
what I need. Those teasing and laugh did not make me frustrated. On
the contrary, they encouraged me to find out the reason which you
could not easily found in books and fly tying websites cause no one
around me knows more about fly tying than me.

It is very late now. Hey guys in this forum. Have a nice day!!