The Sandy Juan Worm -- what is the difference?

Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

The context appears below the photo:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...rms/index.html

sandy wrote:
Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

The context appears below the photo:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...rms/index.html

Isn't the San Juan Worm tied with chenille ?

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Ken Fortenberry

On Sun, 20 May 2007 16:11:25 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

sandy wrote:
Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

The context appears below the photo:

http://montana-riverboats.com/Pages/...rms/index.html

Isn't the San Juan Worm tied with chenille ?

light dawns over Marble Head ;-)

Yes, it is. And Sandy is asking the philosophical question: is there really an
ethical difference in simply buying plastic worms and tossing them with a fly
rod, compared to using the classicly tied San Juan Worm - which most people
still consider to be a "fly"...

/daytripper
(imo, one is borderline unethical, and the other is clearly unethical ;-)

daytripper wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
sandy wrote:
Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

Isn't the San Juan Worm tied with chenille ?

light dawns over Marble Head ;-)

Yes, it is. And Sandy is asking the philosophical question: is there really an
ethical difference in simply buying plastic worms and tossing them with a fly
rod, compared to using the classicly tied San Juan Worm - which most people
still consider to be a "fly"...

/daytripper
(imo, one is borderline unethical, and the other is clearly unethical ;-)

Oh, now I get it. Sandy is administering a philosophy test, in other
words his post is a troll.

I don't use "classic" San Juan Worms and I sure as hell don't toss
plastic worms with a fly rod and I wouldn't call either one fly fishing.

Did I pass the philosophy test ? ;-)

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Ken Fortenberry

On Sun, 20 May 2007 07:27:07 -0600, sandy
wrote:

Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

I don't believe your Sandy Worm is a fly. However, wrap a little
hackle around it, and perhaps some herl and, voila, it's a fly. Go
figure.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 17:21:35 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

daytripper wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
sandy wrote:
Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

Isn't the San Juan Worm tied with chenille ?

light dawns over Marble Head ;-)

Yes, it is. And Sandy is asking the philosophical question: is there really an
ethical difference in simply buying plastic worms and tossing them with a fly
rod, compared to using the classicly tied San Juan Worm - which most people
still consider to be a "fly"...

/daytripper
(imo, one is borderline unethical, and the other is clearly unethical ;-)

Oh, now I get it. Sandy is administering a philosophy test, in other
words his post is a troll.

I don't use "classic" San Juan Worms and I sure as hell don't toss
plastic worms with a fly rod and I wouldn't call either one fly fishing.

Did I pass the philosophy test ? ;-)

lol

That'll do, Ken. That'll do.

/daytripper ;-)

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 07:27:07 -0600, sandy
wrote:

Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

I don't believe your Sandy Worm is a fly. However, wrap a little
hackle around it, and perhaps some herl and, voila, it's a fly. Go
figure.


A fly is a type of insect, titting up a piece of plastic with a feather
makes it a piece of feathered plastic.
Any of that crap you fly fishers (me inc) call flies are not flies at all,
we have all been conned.

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't use "classic" San Juan Worms and I sure as hell don't toss
plastic worms with a fly rod and I wouldn't call either one fly fishing.


.....so you're a purist (a fly fishing fundamentalist?). No problem.
Really. No problem at all. Everybody fishes the way they want.

I was just hoping to hear an articulate explanation.
I realize plastic worms are despicable in some eyes.
I just don't know why. And the more I try to figure out
why, the less sense it makes. I *still* have not heard,
in a sentance that makes sense, why the plastic worm
is despicable, why the San Juan Worm is not quite as
bad, etc. Say something logical and convincing, if you can.

Niteawk wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 20 May 2007 07:27:07 -0600, sandy
wrote:


Ok, here's the question: what is the significant difference,
between a San Juan Worm and a Sandy Juan Worm?

I don't believe your Sandy Worm is a fly. However, wrap a little
hackle around it, and perhaps some herl and, voila, it's a fly. Go
figure.



A fly is a type of insect, titting up a piece of plastic with a feather
makes it a piece of feathered plastic.
Any of that crap you fly fishers (me inc) call flies are not flies at all,
we have all been conned.

Cutting through the crap, the ultimate object of the exercise is to
catch fish. Anglers can put whatever restrictions and handicaps on
themselves that they feel fit -- dry flies only, no indicators, whatever
floats your boat. It's just a personal choice. Whatever makes you happy.

At times I've come up empty using flies and resorted to bait. When it
worked I felt great. When it didn't I felt like a fool.

One of the best fish I've ever caught was a big tarpon, using a fly rod
with a "Gummy Minnow." It was hardly a "fly" in any traditional sense,
but that didn't detract from the experience one whit.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

sandy wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I don't use "classic" San Juan Worms and I sure as hell don't toss
plastic worms with a fly rod and I wouldn't call either one fly fishing.

....so you're a purist (a fly fishing fundamentalist?). No problem.
Really. No problem at all. Everybody fishes the way they want.

I was just hoping to hear an articulate explanation.
I realize plastic worms are despicable in some eyes.
I just don't know why. And the more I try to figure out
why, the less sense it makes. I *still* have not heard,
in a sentance that makes sense, why the plastic worm
is despicable, why the San Juan Worm is not quite as
bad, etc. Say something logical and convincing, if you can.

I didn't say a plastic worm was despicable I said it wasn't
a fly and one fly fishes with a fly. You can fish with whatever
legal device you want, but for me it isn't fly fishing unless
you're fishing with a fly.

And no, the "classic" San Juan Worm is *not* a fly either.
It all seems logical to me but I doubt you're convinced. ;-)

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Ken Fortenberry