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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won'tadmit to
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and
just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
So if I decide to get into long distance casting contest I will get a
big spinning reel. To each his own - you use whatever you want to use and I will, too. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
Gonna put my 2 cents worth in he
Baitcasters have one advantage, size, its a smaller reel, fits better in the hand, you can feel the strike better when your hand is wrapped arround the reel and rod seat, then you ever can with a spinning reel, I do have and use both types, I use spinning when fishing tiny lures, and when beach fishing once in a while, I have a 9 foot surf rod and a big spinning reel, also have a 6` harbormaster with a Penn 209, and have brought in some mighty big redfish with it, oh yes, I cast it pretty good too. "ANTIQUE AUDIO" wrote in message ... heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it |
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the reason baitcaster handles on right hand wind-reels wereoriginally turned over to crank in
On Aug 10, 7:34*pm, ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? *for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. *Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it first baitcasters were made in the 1600's- we are talking a 400 year old design by comparison, the first spinning reels were invented in the 1870's- the primary purpose of a spinning reel ? eliminate backlash, and to cast lighter weight lures it's common knowledge that baitcasters don't work well with light lures see it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing...t_casting_reel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing..._spool.29_reel "Early reels were often operated by inverting the reel and using back winding to retrieve line. For this reason, the reel crank handle was positioned on the right side of the reel.[2] As a result, the right- hand crank position for bait casting reels has become customary over the years" so the reason the crank handle is on the wrong side, is back 200 years ago, they turned the reel over to crank it in with left hand- now, is that a good reason to have the crank on right side today ? NO, it isn't you have to use common sense with this stuff- a lot of things we are sold and told today, are done for political and economic (i.e. money) reasons Bait casting reel Bait casting reels are reels in which line is stored on a bearing supported revolving spool. The bait casting reel is mounted above the rod, hence its other name, the overhead reel. The bait casting reel dates from at least the mid-1600s, but came into wide use by amateur anglers during the 1870s. Early bait casting reels were often constructed with brass or iron gears, with casings and spools made of brass, German silver, or hard rubber. Early reels were often operated by inverting the reel and using back winding to retrieve line. For this reason, the reel crank handle was positioned on the right side of the reel.[2] As a result, the right-hand crank position for bait casting reels has become customary over the years, though models with left-hand retrieve are now gaining in popularity. Many of today's bait casting reels are constructed using aluminum, stainless steel, and/or synthetic composite materials. They typically include a level-wind mechanism to prevent the line from being trapped under itself on the spool during rewind and interfering with subsequent casts. Many are also fitted with anti-reverse handles and drags designed to slow runs by large and powerful game fish. Because the momentum of the forward cast must rotate the spool as well as propel the fishing lure, bait casting designs normally require heavier lures for proper operation than with other types of reels. The gear ratio in bait casting reels was initially about 3/1, later standardized at 4/1 in most reels, but recent developments have seen many bait casting reels with gear ratios as high as 5.5/1 or even higher. Higher gear ratios allow much faster retrieval of line, but sacrifice a small amount of power in exchange. Spool tension on most modern bait casting reels can be adjusted with adjustable spool tension, a centrifugal brake, or a magnetic "cast control." This reduces spool overrun during a cast and the resultant line snare, known as backlash. Each time a lure of a different weight is attached, the cast control must be adjusted. The bait casting reel design will operate well with a wide variety of fishing lines, ranging from braided multifilament and heat-fused "superlines" to copolymer, fluorocarbon, and nylon monofilaments (see Fishing line). Most bait casting reels can also easily be palmed or thumbed to increase the drag, set the hook, or to accurately halt the lure at a given point in the cast. A variation of the bait casting reel is the big game reel. These are very large and robust fishing reels, designed and built for heavy sal****er species such as tuna, marlin, sailfish and sharks. Big game reels are not designed for casting, but used for trolling or fishing set baits and lures on the open ocean. Bait casting reels are sometimes referred to as conventional reels in the U.S. They are known as multiplier reels in Europe, on account of their geared line retrieve (one turn of the handle resulting in multiple turns of the spool). Bait Casting Reel Operation A bait casting reel and rod is cast by moving the rod backward, then snapping it forward. During the forward cast, the weight of the lure pulls the line off the reel. The thumb is used to halt the lure at the desired location and to prevent spool overrun. Though modern centrifigal braking systems help to control backlash, using a bait casting reel still requires practice, and a certain amount of finesse on the part of the fisherman for best results. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:34:52 -0700 (PDT), ANTIQUE AUDIO
wrote: heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated.......snips......... My head has been up regarding reels for over 50 years, and for absolute accuracy and careful presentation, modern baitcasters are FAR superior to spinning reels. That said, I use both because both serve their intended purposes extremely well. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
" the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on
it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it" My Dad used one and I always called it the knuckle buster AND he used a braided type of line. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Aug 11, 11:55*am, "Mike Getz" wrote:
" the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far *is 60 feet- that's about it" My Dad used one and I always called it the knuckle buster AND he used a braided type of line. I was reading a "freshwater fishing" hardcover reference book- it states right there in black and white- a spinning reel will cast much further, a lot easier, with no backlash problems- than any baitcaster will what we have with spinning vs. baitcasting reels is, 2 different schools of thought- the baitcaster was a descendant of the 1800's "Kentucky" reel and invented in USA- the spinning reel was invented in Europe in early 1900's the spinning reel will handle lighter lures and lighter lines, for catching cunning fish that won't bite if they see the line- current spinning rods/reels are designed for 12 lb. test or heavier- plenty for any bass fisherman where the baitcaster comes into play is very LARGE fish 15-20 pounds or larger, where the strong reel design and winch action will wear down/horse in a large fish with less strain using a baitcaster reel to catch 3 lb. fish is really overkill, like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Sure it will work, but a flyswatter is a lot lighter and more efficient and less hassle to use. The thicker line required on a baitcaster to prevent backlash, will limit strikes on wary fish like trout- I've gone from 4 lb. to 6 lb. test on my spinning reel and got less trout strikes- that's just how sensitive those fish are to line size and natural drift of bait- a heavy line turns them off casting distance- no comparison- I can cast 2-3 times further with a cheap open face spinning reel, over any baitcaster reel made baitcasters are much like golf clubs, you use the same cast force with every lure, but heavier lures will go further than light lures will- just like a golfer uses same stroke every time, with a different club- try to cast a baitcaster harder, it will just backlash worse- casting it smoothly and with even pressure, actually makes it cast further- and I can cast much further with a sidearm cast, then overhead pitching |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Aug 11, 9:37*am, "Guy Anderson, Sr."
wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:34:52 -0700 (PDT), ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote: heads up people-baitcasterreels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated.......snips......... My head has been up regarding reels for over 50 years, and for absolute accuracy and careful presentation, *modern baitcasters are FAR superior to spinning reels. *That said, I use both because both serve their intended purposes extremely well. this statement needs to be qualified- more accurate, but how far of a cast, with what weight line ? I've been using spinning reels for 40 years- and fishing some very difficult, covered streams with them- where any type of overhead cast means you're stuck in a tree branch above you due to cover brush- and using 4-6 lb. test lines- there's simply no way a baitcaster can do that try casting a baitcaster with 2 mealie grubs for bait on a hook, with 4 lb. line. A spinning reel does it effortlessly the basic design of a baitcaster, makes it less accurate, not more accurate. The reel spool turning and putting drag on the lure, and requiring thumb pressure to prevent backlash, isn't helping accuracy. You can pitch a spinning reel lure the same as a baitcaster, with no backlash and with thinner line, and lighter weight lure-and not have to thumb the spool. the baitcaster needs to equal/best a spinning reel in all respects, if it's going to be "better" the same amount of practice would yield same accuracy with spinning reel, and the spinning reel has more distance- one can master a spinning reel in one day- not so with a baitcaster what we have is, a lot of misinformation/disinformation from reel companies, who are still selling what is basically an outdated trolling reel or deep sea reel design, for casting baits- it's simply not as good a for casting as a spinning reel a baitcaster DOES have more winching in power- hands down- that is its only salvation- for catching a large quantity of fish over 10 lbs. in size, trolling from a boat or deap sea fishing, the choice would be a baitcaster a baitcaster does have a vintage romantic charm to it though- and it's a sturdy thing- I have 4 of them myself, and have using them for about 2 years now. But after a while, it's nice to just put 8 lb. test on my open face reel, and cast 200 feet effortlessly- and it's deadly accurate. |
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