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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:20:08 -0600, Lawrence Glickman
wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:05:24 -0500, Neon John wrote: All the below is TRASH Neon John. Somewhat like your self-congratulatory self...rubbish. Do you know about fertilizer runoff? Do you KNOW that commercial fisheries are disallowed from harvesting ANYTHING from Lake Michigan because it is so contaminated with carcinogens? Look it up, Banjo Boy, before you open your fat mouth again on this newsgroup. FACT: fish in Lake Michigan are not fit for Human Consumption because of high concentrations of toxins from the water. http://www.lakemichiganangler.com/ Fishing Lake Michigan provides some of the best fishing for steelhead, coho salmon, perch, chinook salmon, rainbow trout, lake trout, brown trout, smallmouth bass, largemouth bass and walleye in the Midwest. This web site contains Fishing reports, information, techniques and tips for fishing from a large or small boat, shore and the harbors, or tributary rivers and creeks. FACT: Commercial fisheries are prohibited from harvesting marine life from Lake Michigan because of the above. http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/...00000300R.html TITLE 17: CONSERVATION CHAPTER I: DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES PART 850 COMMERCIAL FISHING IN LAKE MICHIGAN SECTION 850.30 RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL FISHING AREAS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 850.30 Restricted Commercial Fishing Areas a) During the month of August, commercial gill net fishing may be undertaken anywhere in the Illinois portion of Lake Michigan outside of the 1,000 yard distance from any pier, breakwater, or similar structure, or the low water mark on the shore. From the months of September through June, inclusive, commercial fishermen must fish in water depths of at least 5 fathoms (30 feet) or deeper to minimize incidental catch of salmon and trout. b) The following described area in Lake Michigan is established as fish refuge and it shall be unlawful for any person to place any commercial fishing device in it: all waters on or adjacent to any area commonly referred to as Julian's Reef, located in a general area bounded by 42 16'00" north latitude on the north, 87 29'00" west longitude on the east, 42 11'00" north latitude on the south and 87 35'00" west longitude on the west, on U.S. lake survey navigational chart #75, edition of April 1972 (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). c) During the months of August and September, all gill nets set in the Illinois portion of Lake Michigan in waters up to 20 fathoms (120 feet) in depth shall not be set prior to sunrise and must be removed from the water prior to sunset on the same day. d) During the month of July, all gill nets must be placed in waters greater than 20 fathoms (120 feet) in depth to minimize the incidental catch of yellow perch. (Source: Amended at 28 Ill. Reg. 4697, effective March 1, 2004) FACT: Many of these fish show mutations such as multiple eyes and fins where they are not supposed to be, along with cancerous tumors all over their bodies. FACT: They got this way by drinking Lake Michigan water. CONCLUSION: Neon John is full of ****, and nothing more than a rabid, foaming at the mouth denier. Lg |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:47:07 -0600, Lawrence Glickman
wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:18:55 -0500, Sheldon Harper wrote: Lawrence Glickman wrote in : On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:05:24 -0500, Neon John wrote: All the below is TRASH Neon John. Somewhat like your self-congratulatory self...rubbish. Do you know about fertilizer runoff? Do you KNOW that commercial fisheries are disallowed from harvesting ANYTHING from Lake Michigan because it is so contaminated with carcinogens? Look it up, Banjo Boy, before you open your fat mouth again on this newsgroup. FACT: fish in Lake Michigan are not fit for Human Consumption because of high concentrations of toxins from the water. FACT: Commercial fisheries are prohibited from harvesting marine life from Lake Michigan because of the above. ================================================= ============ I think you better alert the commercial fishing boats about it! They are in clear violation of the Law. I think you had better alert them. I'm about 20 or 30 minutes south of the most southern part of the Lake, and live in one of the most contaminated areas. Perhaps you should provide a link tio this law you are referring to, and alert the Department of Natural Resources that their authority has been countermanded by some asshole on usenet. http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/...00000300R.html TITLE 17: CONSERVATION CHAPTER I: DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES PART 850 COMMERCIAL FISHING IN LAKE MICHIGAN SECTION 850.30 RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL FISHING AREAS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 850.30 Restricted Commercial Fishing Areas a) During the month of August, commercial gill net fishing may be undertaken anywhere in the Illinois portion of Lake Michigan outside of the 1,000 yard distance from any pier, breakwater, or similar structure, or the low water mark on the shore. From the months of September through June, inclusive, commercial fishermen must fish in water depths of at least 5 fathoms (30 feet) or deeper to minimize incidental catch of salmon and trout. b) The following described area in Lake Michigan is established as fish refuge and it shall be unlawful for any person to place any commercial fishing device in it: all waters on or adjacent to any area commonly referred to as Julian's Reef, located in a general area bounded by 42 16'00" north latitude on the north, 87 29'00" west longitude on the east, 42 11'00" north latitude on the south and 87 35'00" west longitude on the west, on U.S. lake survey navigational chart #75, edition of April 1972 (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). c) During the months of August and September, all gill nets set in the Illinois portion of Lake Michigan in waters up to 20 fathoms (120 feet) in depth shall not be set prior to sunrise and must be removed from the water prior to sunset on the same day. d) During the month of July, all gill nets must be placed in waters greater than 20 fathoms (120 feet) in depth to minimize the incidental catch of yellow perch. (Source: Amended at 28 Ill. Reg. 4697, effective March 1, 2004) This contamination is mostly from INDUSTRIAL EFFLUENT that has been pumped into the Lake over the course of the last century by Big Business, as in USS Steel. snip rant pity...I thought it was worthy of a repost I decided to take a look for myself, and this is some of what I found. "Bottom trawl nets are presently used on Lakes Michigan and Superior by fewer than 10 fishing vessels operating out of a few ports along mid-Green Bay, at Two Rivers on Lake Michigan and at Duluth on Lake Superior. Trawlers usually operate in the same area over a long period of time, so they are very predictable and easy to avoid." http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/nets.html "Last winter the Department worked with commercial fishers to study incidental catch rates of lake trout in gill nets set for chubs during winter. Data were collected by Department employees riding commercial boats, with the fishers reimbursing the Department for the time and expenses of those biologists." http://dnr.wi.gov/org/water/fhp/fish/lakemich/Lake%20Michigan%20Fisheries%20News%20Sept%201997.h tm VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV "PCBs are present in some types of Lake Michigan fish at concentrations exceeding US FDA tolerances. Such elevated PCB levels have resulted in closure of some commercial fisheries and issuance of fish consumption advisories for sports fishing. PCBs contribute to reproductive problems and deformities in fish and wildlife (Mac 1988, Gilbertson, 1988)." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is worse that the government is willing to admit to the public. Much worse. BTW, the Vermillion River, which has nothing to do with Lake Michigan, is contaminated to dangerous levels with phosphates from farm fertilizer runoff. To the point it is also unfit for human consumption. Yet Ottawa Illinois and Streator Illinois get all their drinking water from this one contaminated source. Would you use a *filter* if you lived there? Or would you just dip and drink? http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/lmmb/substs.html And more on sport fishing on Lake Michigan: http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/dec04/283365.asp |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:20:15 GMT, Bob Ward wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:47:07 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:18:55 -0500, Sheldon Harper wrote: Lawrence Glickman wrote in : On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:05:24 -0500, Neon John wrote: All the below is TRASH Neon John. Somewhat like your self-congratulatory self...rubbish. Do you know about fertilizer runoff? Do you KNOW that commercial fisheries are disallowed from harvesting ANYTHING from Lake Michigan because it is so contaminated with carcinogens? Look it up, Banjo Boy, before you open your fat mouth again on this newsgroup. FACT: fish in Lake Michigan are not fit for Human Consumption because of high concentrations of toxins from the water. FACT: Commercial fisheries are prohibited from harvesting marine life from Lake Michigan because of the above. ================================================ ============= I think you better alert the commercial fishing boats about it! They are in clear violation of the Law. I think you had better alert them. I'm about 20 or 30 minutes south of the most southern part of the Lake, and live in one of the most contaminated areas. Perhaps you should provide a link tio this law you are referring to, and alert the Department of Natural Resources that their authority has been countermanded by some asshole on usenet. Which asshole would that be, mop boy, YOURSELF? You see, there are so many to choose from, one hardly knows where to begin. Lg http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/...00000300R.html TITLE 17: CONSERVATION CHAPTER I: DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES PART 850 COMMERCIAL FISHING IN LAKE MICHIGAN SECTION 850.30 RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL FISHING AREAS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 850.30 Restricted Commercial Fishing Areas a) During the month of August, commercial gill net fishing may be undertaken anywhere in the Illinois portion of Lake Michigan outside of the 1,000 yard distance from any pier, breakwater, or similar structure, or the low water mark on the shore. From the months of September through June, inclusive, commercial fishermen must fish in water depths of at least 5 fathoms (30 feet) or deeper to minimize incidental catch of salmon and trout. b) The following described area in Lake Michigan is established as fish refuge and it shall be unlawful for any person to place any commercial fishing device in it: all waters on or adjacent to any area commonly referred to as Julian's Reef, located in a general area bounded by 42 16'00" north latitude on the north, 87 29'00" west longitude on the east, 42 11'00" north latitude on the south and 87 35'00" west longitude on the west, on U.S. lake survey navigational chart #75, edition of April 1972 (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). c) During the months of August and September, all gill nets set in the Illinois portion of Lake Michigan in waters up to 20 fathoms (120 feet) in depth shall not be set prior to sunrise and must be removed from the water prior to sunset on the same day. d) During the month of July, all gill nets must be placed in waters greater than 20 fathoms (120 feet) in depth to minimize the incidental catch of yellow perch. (Source: Amended at 28 Ill. Reg. 4697, effective March 1, 2004) This contamination is mostly from INDUSTRIAL EFFLUENT that has been pumped into the Lake over the course of the last century by Big Business, as in USS Steel. snip rant pity...I thought it was worthy of a repost I decided to take a look for myself, and this is some of what I found. "Bottom trawl nets are presently used on Lakes Michigan and Superior by fewer than 10 fishing vessels operating out of a few ports along mid-Green Bay, at Two Rivers on Lake Michigan and at Duluth on Lake Superior. Trawlers usually operate in the same area over a long period of time, so they are very predictable and easy to avoid." http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/nets.html "Last winter the Department worked with commercial fishers to study incidental catch rates of lake trout in gill nets set for chubs during winter. Data were collected by Department employees riding commercial boats, with the fishers reimbursing the Department for the time and expenses of those biologists." http://dnr.wi.gov/org/water/fhp/fish/lakemich/Lake%20Michigan%20Fisheries%20News%20Sept%201997.h tm VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV "PCBs are present in some types of Lake Michigan fish at concentrations exceeding US FDA tolerances. Such elevated PCB levels have resulted in closure of some commercial fisheries and issuance of fish consumption advisories for sports fishing. PCBs contribute to reproductive problems and deformities in fish and wildlife (Mac 1988, Gilbertson, 1988)." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is worse that the government is willing to admit to the public. Much worse. BTW, the Vermillion River, which has nothing to do with Lake Michigan, is contaminated to dangerous levels with phosphates from farm fertilizer runoff. To the point it is also unfit for human consumption. Yet Ottawa Illinois and Streator Illinois get all their drinking water from this one contaminated source. Would you use a *filter* if you lived there? Or would you just dip and drink? http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/lmmb/substs.html And more on sport fishing on Lake Michigan: http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/dec04/283365.asp |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:17:04 GMT, Bob Ward wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:20:08 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:05:24 -0500, Neon John wrote: All the below is TRASH Neon John. Somewhat like your self-congratulatory self...rubbish. Do you know about fertilizer runoff? Do you KNOW that commercial fisheries are disallowed from harvesting ANYTHING from Lake Michigan because it is so contaminated with carcinogens? Look it up, Banjo Boy, before you open your fat mouth again on this newsgroup. FACT: fish in Lake Michigan are not fit for Human Consumption because of high concentrations of toxins from the water. http://www.lakemichiganangler.com/ Fishing Lake Michigan provides some of the best fishing for steelhead, coho salmon, perch, chinook salmon, rainbow trout, lake trout, brown trout, smallmouth bass, largemouth bass and walleye in the Midwest. This web site contains Fishing reports, information, techniques and tips for fishing from a large or small boat, shore and the harbors, or tributary rivers and creeks. http://www.great-lakes.org/marchapril.html Wisconsin Sea Grant releases Dioxin Study Normal lake trout sac fry (IMAGE) Lake trout sac fry exhibiting blue sac disease symptoms after exposure to dioxin (TCDD) in laboratory tests. Note deformed skull and excess fluid in yolk sac. Hemorrhaging is also evident as dark blotches in the fry's body. (IMAGE) The Headline read "CAUSE FOUND FOR GREAT LAKES TROUT REPRODUCTION FAILURE" leaving many confused on the issue of natural reproduction of great lakes lake trout and other salmonids A study released by Richard E. Peterson, a toxicology professor at the UW-Madison School of Pharmacy and Wisconsin Sea Grant showed data suggesting that dioxins and related chemicals may have contributed to the extinction of lake trout in Lake Ontario prior to 1960 and to the recruitment failure of stocked lake trout since then. Peterson described how dioxin contributed to survival of sac fry in early development stages, however, inconsistent with Peterson's findings, healthy lake trout fry have been collected in Lake Michigan, and other great lakes, from time to time for nearly twenty years. EPA Pressuring Michigan on Fish Advisories michigan Despite EPA's threats to release it's own advisory, Michigan stands behind Science Boards findings. Based on the results of its review of the available information, the MESB Panel concludes that the data presented by the ATSDR and USEPA do not alter the original findings or conclusions presented in September 1995 by the MESB - CGLG Special Fish Advisory Panel. In particular, the recently published Jacobson and Jacobson (1996) data, which indicates that the fetus is more susceptible than adults to potential harm from fish consumption. Editor's note: THAT'S =HUMAN= FETUS IS MORE SUSCEPTIBLE THAN ADULTS TO POTENTIAL HARM FROM FISH CONSUMPTION. http://www.great-lakes.org/marchapril.html ================================================== =================== HAVE A LOOK AT THIS: http://biology.usgs.gov/s+t/imagefiles/m2131f07.htm Reproductive problems, tumors, and other deformities are still being detected in certain fish and wildlife populations in most of the Great Lakes. Similarly, consumption advisories recommending restrictions on eating certain species and sizes of Great Lakes fish still remain. The United States and Canada have agreed upon a virtual elimination policy for toxic contaminants under the auspices of the Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement. Remedial action plans are being developed by federal and state agencies in cooperation with local municipalities and local citizens to eliminate beneficial use impairments in the most contaminated rivers, harbors, and bays in the Great Lakes. Continued long-term monitoring of contamination in fish is required to determine the success of these programs and to guide where further corrective actions may be necessary. http://biology.usgs.gov/s+t/noframe/m2131.htm SMOKE THAT DICKWEED |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:02:20 -0600, Lawrence Glickman
wrote: Which asshole would that be, mop boy, YOURSELF? You see, there are so many to choose from, one hardly knows where to begin. Lg You are the only one claiming that it's illegal to fish commercially in Lake Michigan - I just provided the cite that proved you wrong. |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:57:16 GMT, Bob Ward wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:02:20 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: Which asshole would that be, mop boy, YOURSELF? You see, there are so many to choose from, one hardly knows where to begin. Lg You are the only one claiming that it's illegal to fish commercially in Lake Michigan - I just provided the cite that proved you wrong. There was a ban on this at one time; I was unaware that it had been _partially_ rescinded. There are still areas of contamination. Look at the title of the thread. Lg |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:35:35 GMT, Bob Ward wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:16:51 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:57:16 GMT, Bob Ward wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:02:20 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: Which asshole would that be, mop boy, YOURSELF? You see, there are so many to choose from, one hardly knows where to begin. Lg You are the only one claiming that it's illegal to fish commercially in Lake Michigan - I just provided the cite that proved you wrong. There was a ban on this at one time; I was unaware that it had been _partially_ rescinded. There are still areas of contamination. Look at the title of the thread. Lg Face it - you were wrong, I called you on it, and you resorted to calling me namers ratgher than researching your claims before posting. **** off, troll-boy. Eat **** and die, pedophile. |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:35:35 GMT, Bob Ward wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:16:51 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:57:16 GMT, Bob Ward wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:02:20 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: Which asshole would that be, mop boy, YOURSELF? You see, there are so many to choose from, one hardly knows where to begin. Lg You are the only one claiming that it's illegal to fish commercially in Lake Michigan - I just provided the cite that proved you wrong. There was a ban on this at one time; I was unaware that it had been _partially_ rescinded. There are still areas of contamination. Look at the title of the thread. Lg Face it - you were wrong, I called you on it, and you resorted to calling me namers ratgher than researching your claims before posting. **** off, troll-boy. Eat **** and die, pedophile. The links I posted are VALID. Your bull**** is just that; government de-regulation allowing Big Business to precede with their contamination, at a price you and I and everyone else is going to pay for with shortened lives. I hope you die soon of a brain tumor. Eat more fish. Especially the fatty parts of them in the lower belly area. Prove what a girly fag you really are. The Poison Pit known as the public water supply has already started wasting your brain. It is obvious to anyone who reads your ****. Why don't you provide a public service and slit your wrists. Lg |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
Having helped care for two different relatives who died from Alzheimer's Disease, it is easy for me to recognize the symptoms such as you are displaying here. I sincerely feel sympathy for you, Lawrence. Though you were probably a nasty old fool before your brain started going and not someone I'd want to associate with, I'd not wish this on anyone, even my worst enemy. Yours is obviously in the early stage since you can still type and spell but you are losing the ability to think rational thoughts and your self-control is slipping which means that something needs to be done immediately. Letting vulgarities fly in public places is a classic early sign. There are some really good drugs now that help postpone the onset of symptoms and in some cases, roll them back. I urge you to show this post to your kids or whomever is your caregiver so that they can appreciate your condition and seek out appropriate treatment. With proper treatment you can enjoy a few more years of lucidity. I also suggest that they cut off your posting privileges so that you won't further sully your public reputation. It'd be a shame for your grandkids to plug your name into Google and have to read the kind of stuff you're writing now. Most people idolize their grandparents. What a tragedy to have that bubble burst for your grandkids. To others he please don't tease this fellow or bait him on. It's like poking a caged animal with a stick. It's just not nice. John On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:55:02 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: Eat **** and die, pedophile. The links I posted are VALID. Your bull**** is just that; government de-regulation allowing Big Business to precede with their contamination, at a price you and I and everyone else is going to pay for with shortened lives. I hope you die soon of a brain tumor. Eat more fish. Especially the fatty parts of them in the lower belly area. Prove what a girly fag you really are. The Poison Pit known as the public water supply has already started wasting your brain. It is obvious to anyone who reads your ****. Why don't you provide a public service and slit your wrists. --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.johngsbbq.com Cleveland, Occupied TN A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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Fish Down Stream 3M Ssite On Mississippi River Unsafe
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:18:35 -0500, Neon John wrote:
Having helped care for two different relatives who died from Alzheimer's Disease, it is easy for me to recognize the symptoms such as you are displaying here. I sincerely feel sympathy for you, Lawrence. Save it for yourself, you ****ing retard. BTW, are you ready to come clean on why your wife walked out on you? Though you were probably a nasty old fool before your brain started going and not someone I'd want to associate with, I'd not wish this on anyone, even my worst enemy. Yours is obviously in the early stage since you can still type and spell but you are losing the ability to think rational thoughts and your self-control is slipping which means that something needs to be done immediately. Letting vulgarities fly in public places is a classic early sign. Do you speak from experience? There are some really good drugs now that help postpone the onset of symptoms and in some cases, roll them back. I urge you to show this post to your kids or whomever is your caregiver so that they can appreciate your condition and seek out appropriate treatment. With proper treatment you can enjoy a few more years of lucidity. Speaking from experience? I also suggest that they cut off your posting privileges so that you won't further sully your public reputation. It'd be a shame for your grandkids to plug your name into Google and have to read the kind of stuff you're writing now. Most people idolize their grandparents. What a tragedy to have that bubble burst for your grandkids. I don't have any grandkids. Shows what you -don't- know, nitwit. BTW, if you're such a perfect example of the perfect citizen, WHY did your wife leave you for another man...or was it another woman? To others he please don't tease this fellow or bait him on. It's like poking a caged animal with a stick. It's just not nice. John Drink some water. In fact, stick your head in a bucket of it. Lg On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:55:02 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote: Eat **** and die, pedophile. The links I posted are VALID. Your bull**** is just that; government de-regulation allowing Big Business to precede with their contamination, at a price you and I and everyone else is going to pay for with shortened lives. I hope you die soon of a brain tumor. Eat more fish. Especially the fatty parts of them in the lower belly area. Prove what a girly fag you really are. The Poison Pit known as the public water supply has already started wasting your brain. It is obvious to anyone who reads your ****. Why don't you provide a public service and slit your wrists. --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.johngsbbq.com Cleveland, Occupied TN A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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