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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"AJ" wrote in message .net... Fished all morning with my trusty Calcutta 150, St Croix 6.5' medium fast rod, 10 lb. Berkley Sensation, and had zero backlashes, which is pretty much normal. Sure glad I had it when that Northern shot out from nowhere, hit the lure 3 ft. away from the boat going like a freight train, and dove under the boat into the weeds. He pretty much trashed my spinnerbait, but I figure it was worth it. I don't know why baitcasting would serve you better than spinning in that situation if you were also using 10# line and a similar strength rod and proper drag setting. I'm not sure what it's called, but what happens to me with spinning reels, particularly wide spool ones when I try a cast just a little farther than it wants to go, is about 100-200 loops of line come off the spool all at once and try to make it through the first guide. The abrupt stop sometimes send whatever was tied on the end off into the deep blue. Unlike minor backlashes on a baitcaster, there's no way to fix this mess. I call them spinning tangles or birds' nests. I use only spinning these days but when I used some baitcasting years ago I didn't have many backlash problems and what I did have were not nearly as bad as spinning tangles which, fortunately, don't occur that often. If you're getting 100+ loops coming off at once you may be using a line that's too stiff for spinning reels and/or allowing loops to form on the reel spool. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
In article , mart915
@REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message .net... Fished all morning with my trusty Calcutta 150, St Croix 6.5' medium fast rod, 10 lb. Berkley Sensation, and had zero backlashes, which is pretty much normal. Sure glad I had it when that Northern shot out from nowhere, hit the lure 3 ft. away from the boat going like a freight train, and dove under the boat into the weeds. He pretty much trashed my spinnerbait, but I figure it was worth it. I don't know why baitcasting would serve you better than spinning in that situation if you were also using 10# line and a similar strength rod and proper drag setting. Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. I do use spinning as well and have a nice 7' ML on the boat for more vertical presentations and keep a 6'L in the truck for promising streams and ponds - I don't think I would use a baitcaster from shore. I'm not sure what it's called, but what happens to me with spinning reels, particularly wide spool ones when I try a cast just a little farther than it wants to go, is about 100-200 loops of line come off the spool all at once and try to make it through the first guide. The abrupt stop sometimes send whatever was tied on the end off into the deep blue. Unlike minor backlashes on a baitcaster, there's no way to fix this mess. I call them spinning tangles or birds' nests. I use only spinning these days but when I used some baitcasting years ago I didn't have many backlash problems and what I did have were not nearly as bad as spinning tangles which, fortunately, don't occur that often. If you're getting 100+ loops coming off at once you may be using a line that's too stiff for spinning reels and/or allowing loops to form on the reel spool. That may be, but I suspect it may be from not enough tension during the retrieve with light surface lures, stop and go retrieves, or when bottom bouncing a jig. Then a harder cast pulls it all off. Fortunately spool changes are easy. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"using a baitcaster reel to catch 3 lb. fish is really overkill, like
swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Sure it will work, but a flyswatter is a lot lighter and more efficient and less hassle to use. " I'm using a ultralight baitcaster with 5 pound mono to toss a 1/16 oz bullet weight, 1/0 hook and 4 inch worm, I figure it'll put off surgery for me for at least 2 years. I've had one already on the left wrist from too much fishing with the spinning rod. "ANTIQUE AUDIO" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 11:55 am, "Mike Getz" wrote: " the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it" My Dad used one and I always called it the knuckle buster AND he used a braided type of line. I was reading a "freshwater fishing" hardcover reference book- it states right there in black and white- a spinning reel will cast much further, a lot easier, with no backlash problems- than any baitcaster will what we have with spinning vs. baitcasting reels is, 2 different schools of thought- the baitcaster was a descendant of the 1800's "Kentucky" reel and invented in USA- the spinning reel was invented in Europe in early 1900's the spinning reel will handle lighter lures and lighter lines, for catching cunning fish that won't bite if they see the line- current spinning rods/reels are designed for 12 lb. test or heavier- plenty for any bass fisherman where the baitcaster comes into play is very LARGE fish 15-20 pounds or larger, where the strong reel design and winch action will wear down/horse in a large fish with less strain using a baitcaster reel to catch 3 lb. fish is really overkill, like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Sure it will work, but a flyswatter is a lot lighter and more efficient and less hassle to use. The thicker line required on a baitcaster to prevent backlash, will limit strikes on wary fish like trout- I've gone from 4 lb. to 6 lb. test on my spinning reel and got less trout strikes- that's just how sensitive those fish are to line size and natural drift of bait- a heavy line turns them off casting distance- no comparison- I can cast 2-3 times further with a cheap open face spinning reel, over any baitcaster reel made baitcasters are much like golf clubs, you use the same cast force with every lure, but heavier lures will go further than light lures will- just like a golfer uses same stroke every time, with a different club- try to cast a baitcaster harder, it will just backlash worse- casting it smoothly and with even pressure, actually makes it cast further- and I can cast much further with a sidearm cast, then overhead pitching |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"AJ" wrote in message .net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinning. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're not unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. If you're getting 100+ loops coming off at once you may be using a line that's too stiff for spinning reels and/or allowing loops to form on the reel spool. That may be, but I suspect it may be from not enough tension during the retrieve with light surface lures, stop and go retrieves, or when bottom bouncing a jig. Then a harder cast pulls it all off. Fortunately spool changes are easy. Sounds possible, maybe likely, but the idea is to maintain tension so as to avoid the loops and changing of spools. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
In article , mart915
@REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message .net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinning. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're not unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. Not necessarily. I'm not sure if they were first, but I think one of the most overlooked features Shimano did for baitcasters is the narrow spool found on most of their 100 series models. I think that because the line doesn't come off the spool at such an extreme angle on it's way to the level wind guide, especially when the guide is at the extreme end of its travel, there's much less tendency to backlash with lighter lines. The first trouble free baitcester I had was an old Black Magnum 100. After it I picked up a Speedmaster Ultra Light Special, used it with 8 lb line and a light action rod for many years. Besides the Calcutta 150, I also currently have a Currado 100 on a medium light rod, and it can handle almost as light a lure as the retired ULS. Until recently the 200 series Shimano's seem like they've been the most popular, but with the new superlines becoming more common, the narrow spool 100's seem to be more common. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Aug 19, 8:43*pm, AJ wrote:
In article , mart915 @REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message l.net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinning. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're not unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. Not necessarily. I'm not sure if they were first, but I think one of the most overlooked features Shimano did for baitcasters is the narrow spool found on most of their 100 series models. I think that because the line doesn't come off the spool at such an extreme angle on it's way to the level wind guide, especially when the guide is at the extreme end of its travel, there's much less tendency to backlash with lighter lines. * The first trouble free baitcester I had was an old Black Magnum 100. After it I picked up a Speedmaster Ultra Light Special, used it with 8 lb line and a light action rod for many years. Besides the Calcutta 150, I also currently have a Currado 100 on a medium light rod, and it can handle almost as light a lure as the retired ULS. Until recently the 200 series Shimano's seem like they've been the most popular, but with the new superlines becoming more common, the narrow spool 100's seem to be more common.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - one thing I found out, was the best way to pitch/overhead cast a baitcaster, is turn the reel handle upward- this is something most fishermen don't tell you, and it's also not in the reel directions- but it is in any old literature about how to cast with a baitcaster reel- the difference is remarkable- and I gained another 5 yards casting distance facing the reel handle up during casting. What this does is, it places the spool in a verticle position with bearings on top/bottom during the cast, rather than horizontal. There seems to be slightly less friction and less backlash, and smoother casting. I still don't see the logic in using a baitcast reel for fish smaller than 10 pound though, because the modern large spinning reels will definitely handle up that that size fish and line with ease- and cast easier, and further. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
I still don't see the logic in using a baitcast reel for fish smaller than 10 pound though, because the modern large spinning reels will definitely handle up that that size fish and line with ease- and cast easier, and further. Large spinning reels are heavy, bulky, and ungainly. From a retrieve perspective, the entire design of a spinning reel is a mechanical nightmare, that unnecessarily takes the energy around two right angles. If casting distance was of a major advantage in bass angling, there might be some merit to using big spinning gear. But since it's not, then there really is no need to burden yourself with a reel that twists the line, weighs twice as much or more than a casting reel that will do the job, is out of balance by design, and requires a rod equipped with gigantic guides. On the other hand, I love spinning gear for application requiring 6lb test line or less. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
You almost had me worried there Rich!
"RichZ" wrote in message ... ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote: On the other hand, I love spinning gear for application requiring 6lb test line or less. |
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