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"John Kerr" sez: It looks like the fish has a good chance of being certified by the IGFA. Mac is going to submit it, and they will probably except the measurements requirement via pictures and video. The foul hooked part is a matter of credibility I suppose. I have mixed emotions, naturally I wanted to see John or Mike get the fish, and a "good hook up" would have been what everyone wanted to see. Oh well, we will know in a month or so. As I posted elsewhere I'm still confused. Here is more of the story in a link supposedly to an eyewitness interview. http://www.bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=1660 In part of the interview with Barnett (one of the boys?), this appears: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the dock, Barnett said he had a clear view of Weakley's presentation, hookset and landing. Note that the fish was bedding in clear water. "After less than an hour, Mac swung for the first time," Barnett said. "He ended up swinging a total of five times, and on the fifth swing he got it. (The swings) were on separate casts. He'd do a flip here, a flip there, then a swing. "I was counting. And he was using the same bait, which is really rare - for a fish to be so interested in the same bait. "(Dickerson) did throw his Mission Fish in there once, but didn't swing." According to Barnett, Weakley connected on his fifth swing. "They got the fish and it went straight out to deep water - like a tow truck. They yelled, 'Get the net! Get the net!' "Right before they netted it, Dan and I saw the fish. It was foul-hooked down the left side of the fish, right next to the dorsal fin." The trio netted the fish about 10 feet away from the dock. "They were flipping out," Barnett said. "Then they said, 'We have to go talk to our lawyer.' So they went out to the middle of the lake. "After 15 minutes they came back. I was talking with - I believe it was Mac, but I can't say I'm positive. It was either Mac or Jed. One of the two came up - it's the only blurry memory - and they were standing with me and Dan, and (Mac or Jed) said something like, 'Yeah, there's a weird mark on its side.' Barnett added: "I don't know why he said that, because Dan asked him before what they were going to do with it because it was foul-hooked. I don't know - it was trippy, a little weird." Barnett said his brother Dan then brought attention again to the foul hook. "They said, 'I don't know about this mark - what's up with that?' But Dan's like, 'Yeah, that's where you foul-hooked it." At that point, Barnett noted there was some silence, then he remembers Mac saying, "Hey, just let the fish go - get rid of it." ---------------------------------------------------------- So help me out John. So did he just keep flipping until he snagged it? And did all three go out in the lake so he could get lawyered up and all get their stories straight? So under California law would Mike get a citation if he had kept a foul hooked bass? Was that the real reason he released it back into the lake? I hope this gets straightened out. I'm still confused. John |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:59:25 -0800, "John"
sent into the ether: "John Kerr" sez: First off, there were no livewells to put the fish in....Dixon only rents small boats, no others allowed. Second, these guys were not "dummies", they fish that lake every day. They knew the fish was there, and where it was at. They bought a camping permit that allowed them first boat rental of the day, and were on the fish at first light. Mac has caught a 19 lber there, and Jed holds the 4th largest bass ever recorded....the same fish 3 years ago! They are all featured in the book "Sowbelly", and they knew exatly what they were doing! They had no choice...there were wittnesses that saw the foul hook! So more of the story is coming out. So John help me out. Is this what really happened? The three legally bought a camping permit so they could get a boat first and beat everybody lined up trying to get on the lake and run their newly rented boat over to where they knew this big bass was spawning so they could be first to foul hook her. So they wanted to be first where she was so no one could see them fishing? These guys had planned this in advance. Is that right? Is it in Monte Burke's book what they were going to do? So they had planned in advance to foul hook her or to hopefully snag her in the mouth so they could get the world record? And once he foul hooked her, all three could not lie and say he caught her legally because the lake was so small there were other witnesses that saw him foul hook her? The other witnesses not in the boat could not see the scale show 25 pounds either I bet. So is that why he threw her back in the lake without measuring her or weighing her on a certified scales so he or one of his buddies could foul hook her another day? Did these guys really plan on doing this in advance? Were these guys really that smart or did they just get caught foul-hooking spawning bass and tried to cover it up? I'm confused. I don't know what really happened, John. I'm sure glad I'm not on the IGFA committee that has to evaluate their application. John Well that proves my first impression of Fly-boy was correct. PLONK! I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! (That is what my X-wife told me) Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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Dwayne E. Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:44:27 -0800, "John" wrote: Another confusing world record possibility at Lake Dixon: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...-bn21bass.html Not to be a doubting Tom or anything...but the bass in that picture just doesn't look that big to me...especially when you look at the bass' mouth compared to the size of his hand (you should be able to stick two adult fists down a 20 pounder's mouth) and it appears that he is holding the fish out arms length to the cameral. (nothing wrong with that...but it definitely makes fish look bigger). Note that the fish does have "bug eye" too. From the picture alone, I would guess btw 12 and 18 pounds... I scaled the photo from the width of his hand,, that fish is over 30 inches long,, I hate to say this, but I think they are right with the weight -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
I scaled the photo from the width of his hand,, that fish is over 30 inches long,, I hate to say this, but I think they are right with the weight. Regardless, the fish was snagged. Anyone who claims they caught the World Record bass, by swinging on a bedding bass 5 times and eventually foul hooking it is doing a great injustice to anyone who has the dream of catching the "big one" IMO. If it was hooked in the mouth, I'd feel better I hope the record falls to some 15 year old kid out fishing a popper one early summer morning :-) |
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Regardless, the fish was snagged. Anyone who claims they caught the World Record bass, by swinging on a bedding bass 5 times and eventually foul hooking it is doing a great injustice to anyone who has the dream of catching the "big one" IMO. If it was hooked in the mouth, I'd feel better Dang If I had been in that boat, I would have caught it in the mouth :-) bedding bass are like picking grapes -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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John wrote:
Another confusing world record possibility at Lake Dixon: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...-bn21bass.html snip Lake Dixon ? Lake my a**, you're talking about a 70 acre barrel where so-called "anglers" can sit right on top of the beds and snag frankenbass. The whole damn scenario stinks to high heaven. I spit in disgust at the whole enterprise. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:14:03 -0500, "alwaysfishking"
sent into the ether: "Rodney Long" wrote in message ... I scaled the photo from the width of his hand,, that fish is over 30 inches long,, I hate to say this, but I think they are right with the weight. Regardless, the fish was snagged. Anyone who claims they caught the World Record bass, by swinging on a bedding bass 5 times and eventually foul hooking it is doing a great injustice to anyone who has the dream of catching the "big one" IMO. If it was hooked in the mouth, I'd feel better I hope the record falls to some 15 year old kid out fishing a popper one early summer morning :-) I'll second that Randy. I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! (That is what my X-wife told me) Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:48:20 -0600, Rodney Long
wrote: I scaled the photo from the width of his hand,, that fish is over 30 inches long,, I hate to say this, but I think they are right with the weight They could be. This fish does have a huge pot belly on it; this team of fishermen have proven they have caught big bass before; and this particular lake has showed that it is potentially capable of producing a world record fish. And right after I made my post, it did come to me that fish from different regions are sometimes built differently. We've all seen fish (and other animals) from different environments with different proportions. The very biggest bass I've seen were from Florida and it's possible that a Florida bass might have much bigger head/mouth than it's California cousin. However, it still just doesn't look big enough to me. BTW, a good site to look at what some of these very big bass look like is at: http://www.worldrecordbass.com/ But I'd love to see more pics of this fish (surely, more were taken) and, of course, I would love to be fishing in an environment right now where a world record bass was a possibility. (especially since I'm sitting on 6 inches of snow). I'm pretty sure that Perry's fish was recorded at 32 1/2 inches long.. Can't remember where I read that but that number is stuck in my head and I believe its girth was around 28 inches. So, if those dimensions are correct or even close, Perry's fish was very long and very fat. On a somewhat sidenote - When I was younger, I was fortunate to have fished some of the sloughs, ponds and lakes where George Perry caught his world record bass (although not the exact same spot bc I was told that there was not enough water in there now). One of my uncles who lived down in that area swore he knew where Perry's general fishing spot was and pointed me to a very small creek running through a nasty-looking swamp around the Ocmulgee River area. We're talking snakes, gators and hardly any water and a good half a mile to mile walk thru some very ugly country. (not that that has deterred me before). Although I wanted to "chance it"....age (and probably wisdom ruled) and we instead often hit a body of water callled "Brown's lake" (a relatively small pay lake) that was also close nearby that was rumored to be a likely candidate to have a bass in it big enough to eclipse Perry's fish. I remember wading that entire lake and using a belly-boat (huge inner tube) back then to cover its water throwing every "special bait" I had back then (particularly a black jig n' lizard) in a crazy attempt to catch that monster hawg. My dad caught a lot of little fish from that lake...and I mostly frothered up a lot of water. It seems to me the store or house there had a replica of the fish (along with a ton of indian artifacts from that area too) and maybe a small memorial plague of Perry's record fish. I remember seeing it somwhere down that area...possibly at the store and/or as a historical marker. It's been a long time since I've fished that lake so I'm not sure whether it still is around or not or even who owns it...but it could be worth a "World Record Hunt" visit if anyone is ever in that neck of the woods with a couple of hours/days or whatever to kill... -- Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law Indianapolis, IN Email: Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm 1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner |
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"John Kerr" sez: John, These guys are serious big bass hunters, Yep this time of the year lots of water is covered with Big Bass Hunters looking for that elusive record. and I am sure they didn't intend to snag the fish! Seems like they are locals known to park staff according to news accounts. Your knowing them also adds to their credability in my mind. But the way their story was described, a case could be made for deliberate snagging. But once they did, they had a choice to make, and they released it. Yep that was witnessed. Yes, they did get in front of everyone else by buying a camping permit...legal, but it did pee some of the other guys off. Yep but nothing illegal about that. Life is full of peed off guys. They did know the fish was there, they had been there the day before, but someone else was on the fish. There is a rumor, and I don't know if it's true, that they tried to pay the guy to get off the fish that day. Yep but I don't think this is illegal, is it? Being smart doesn't make these guys illegal. Hats off to these guys for fishing smart to catch the world record. And the world record equally applies if the big bass was caught in a huge lake or caught in a little pond like Dixon. With any really big bass catch, there is always controversy, That's true. And it seems like lots of that big bass controversy happend in California. Wasn't there a lady whose son was a guide who caught a big world record bass several years ago which the IGFA disallowed? And wasn't there some guy from California 3-4 years ago or so who weighed his bass and released it before the F&G staff saw it and IGFA refused to recognize it? It seems to me knowledgeable guys like these would have done a lot more to limit all their controversy. and only these guys know the truth. Yep. Agree totally and that's sad. I don't have any reason to doubt their story...yet. Go to bassfan.com and read the inteview with a wittness to the catch...draw your own conclusions. Been there, done that. Bet there is more of the story to come out. I'm still undecided. Thanks John for adding more info. Like you said, only these guys know the truth. |
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