The Future of Fly Fishing in America ?

"rw" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

You understand that there are significant (and growing) numbers of people
in the U.S.--even working people--who have no job-related health insurance
or other benefits, and who have nothing left to buy insurance with or to
save after paying for essentials (food, housing, utilities and clothing)?

The poor and the close-to-poor will always be with us. When they stop voting against
their economic interests, stop voting from fear of gay marriage, stop voting against
the teaching of evolution in schools and the separation of church and state, stop
voting against freedom of choice wrt abortion, stop voting against against
enlightened drug policies, stop voting for privatization of Social Security, stop
voting for ruinous foreign adventures, for handouts to wealthy private and corporate
interests (including the so-called health-care and pharmaceutical industries), etc.,
etc., their plight will only grow worse.

I am that so-called "close to poor", and I didn't vote against my economic interest, I
believe that gays should have the exact same rights as any other American, I believe
science should be taught in public schools and religion at home and in the churches, I
believe in a woman's right to choose without question, I think the war on drugs is a
joke, I accept the existing safety net for retirement (if the *******s would repay all
they have stolen from the system), I don't support offensive wars--unless we are
attacked, I do not believe that coporations and industry are what the Framers referred
to when they wrote "...or the right of the PEOPLE* to peacably assemble, and to
pettition the Goverenment for a redress of grievances" (First Amendment...* Emphasis
mine).

DON'T BLAME THIS **** ON US POOR FOLKS!


Running up high-interest credit card debt is NOT the answer to their problems.

The credit card companies have only themselves to blame--if bankruptcy is good enough
for Enron and hundreds of other multi-billion dollar corporations, it's good enough
for me!

Mark

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"rw" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

You understand that there are significant (and growing) numbers of people
in the U.S.--even working people--who have no job-related health insurance
or other benefits, and who have nothing left to buy insurance with or to
save after paying for essentials (food, housing, utilities and clothing)?

The poor and the close-to-poor will always be with us. When they stop voting against
their economic interests, stop voting from fear of gay marriage, stop voting against
the teaching of evolution in schools and the separation of church and state, stop
voting against freedom of choice wrt abortion, stop voting against against
enlightened drug policies, stop voting for privatization of Social Security, stop
voting for ruinous foreign adventures, for handouts to wealthy private and corporate
interests (including the so-called health-care and pharmaceutical industries), etc.,
etc., their plight will only grow worse.

I am that so-called "close to poor", and I didn't vote against my economic interest, I
believe that gays should have the exact same rights as any other American, I believe
science should be taught in public schools and religion at home and in the churches, I
believe in a woman's right to choose without question, I think the war on drugs is a
joke, I accept the existing safety net for retirement (if the *******s would repay all
they have stolen from the system), I don't support offensive wars--unless we are
attacked, I do not believe that coporations and industry are what the Framers referred
to when they wrote "...or the right of the PEOPLE* to peacably assemble, and to
pettition the Goverenment for a redress of grievances" (First Amendment...* Emphasis
mine).

DON'T BLAME THIS **** ON US POOR FOLKS!


Running up high-interest credit card debt is NOT the answer to their problems.

The credit card companies have only themselves to blame--if bankruptcy is good enough
for Enron and hundreds of other multi-billion dollar corporations, it's good enough
for me!

Mark

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"JR" wrote in message ...
...Not
talking--as you seem in some places to be--about private land that has
allowed free access so long and liberally that people are beginning to
treat it as "public".)

Honestly, do you think it knows the difference?

Wolfgang

"JR" wrote in message ...
...Not
talking--as you seem in some places to be--about private land that has
allowed free access so long and liberally that people are beginning to
treat it as "public".)

Honestly, do you think it knows the difference?

Wolfgang

rw wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
rw wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
We buy everything from food to vacations on credit cards,...

Me, too. Then I get the airfare miles, ...

This has to be the most pathetic ****ing contest I have ever
seen on roff. And I've seen a few.

Two pompous pricks pontificating about their money and then
trying to "out humble" each other.

Why don't you two get a room, or at least take it to email.

I have to go with Ken on this one. Please, shoot me.

My best guess is that you're mired in credit-card debt, sucker.

Steve, I was mired in "short-term" credit debt for years. Ran it up in
my twenties and early thirties while trying to see my son and daughter
through some significant health issues. My choice was to accept some
sort of welfare or do something else and I made my choice. Your loathing
of people with credit debt (this isn't the first time you've raised the
point) because you think all of them ran out and bought "toys" shows how
distanced you are from some other people's painful reality.

It has only been in the not-to-distant past that I've finally dug out
from that hell-hole, and I personally feel great empathy for anyone in
that situation. Before you place yourself up on some pedestal and allow
yourself to criticize others, you should walk a mile in their shoes.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

slenon wrote:
You, of all people on roff, should be
among the first to be appalled and disgusted that anyone in their
right mind could, in the 21st century, declare in public that
"Malthus was correct."
Ken Fortenberry

Whether or not he was a racist, in an otherwise unchecked populace,
famine, disease, & war will reduce populations to the limits that the
ecological area can support. I don't have to like the man or his
other beliefs to acknowledge that populations do not increase
unchecked.
Wait a few years until Bird flu makes the genetic leap into the
common human strains and we'll continue this discussion. If we both
can.

Do you actually need more to worry about, or do you just like it when
the reasons are more plentiful?
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

rw wrote:

The poor and the close-to-poor will always be with us. [Until] they stop
voting against their economic interests, stop voting from fear of gay
marriage, stop voting against the teaching of evolution in schools and
the separation of church and state, stop voting against freedom of
choice wrt abortion, stop voting against against enlightened drug
policies, stop voting for privatization of Social Security, stop voting
for ruinous foreign adventures, for handouts to wealthy private and
corporate interests (including the so-called health-care and
pharmaceutical industries), etc., etc., their plight will only grow worse.

How felicitous the quotation of Jesus--non sequitur though it is--to
bolster the tired old argument that the plight of the poor is their own
fault! You really believe that all poor people who vote do in fact vote
for all the things listed above, and that all those issues directly affect
their economic well-being?

Running up high-interest credit card debt is NOT the answer to their
problems.

I don't think it is, and I don't believe the poor think it is. Only that
it is sometimes the only real choice--albeit a very bad one--many of them
(and other folks as well) have in times of crisis. None of which is an
excuse for the deceptive, unethical business practices of the industry.

JR

rw wrote:

The poor and the close-to-poor will always be with us. [Until] they stop
voting against their economic interests, stop voting from fear of gay
marriage, stop voting against the teaching of evolution in schools and
the separation of church and state, stop voting against freedom of
choice wrt abortion, stop voting against against enlightened drug
policies, stop voting for privatization of Social Security, stop voting
for ruinous foreign adventures, for handouts to wealthy private and
corporate interests (including the so-called health-care and
pharmaceutical industries), etc., etc., their plight will only grow worse.

How felicitous the quotation of Jesus--non sequitur though it is--to
bolster the tired old argument that the plight of the poor is their own
fault! You really believe that all poor people who vote do in fact vote
for all the things listed above, and that all those issues directly affect
their economic well-being?

Running up high-interest credit card debt is NOT the answer to their
problems.

I don't think it is, and I don't believe the poor think it is. Only that
it is sometimes the only real choice--albeit a very bad one--many of them
(and other folks as well) have in times of crisis. None of which is an
excuse for the deceptive, unethical business practices of the industry.

JR

Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:

I am that so-called "close to poor", and I didn't vote against my
economic interest, I believe that gays should have the exact same rights
as any other American, I believe science should be taught in public
schools and religion at home and in the churches, I believe in a woman's
right to choose without question, I think the war on drugs is a joke, I
accept the existing safety net for retirement (if the *******s would
repay all they have stolen from the system), I don't support offensive
wars--unless we are attacked, I do not believe that coporations and
industry are what the Framers referred to when they wrote "...or the
right of the PEOPLE* to peacably assemble, and to pettition the
Goverenment for a redress of grievances" (First Amendment...* Emphasis
mine).

DON'T BLAME THIS **** ON US POOR FOLKS!

I'm afraid you're in the minority in your red-state cohort.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:

I am that so-called "close to poor", and I didn't vote against my
economic interest, I believe that gays should have the exact same rights
as any other American, I believe science should be taught in public
schools and religion at home and in the churches, I believe in a woman's
right to choose without question, I think the war on drugs is a joke, I
accept the existing safety net for retirement (if the *******s would
repay all they have stolen from the system), I don't support offensive
wars--unless we are attacked, I do not believe that coporations and
industry are what the Framers referred to when they wrote "...or the
right of the PEOPLE* to peacably assemble, and to pettition the
Goverenment for a redress of grievances" (First Amendment...* Emphasis
mine).

DON'T BLAME THIS **** ON US POOR FOLKS!

I'm afraid you're in the minority in your red-state cohort.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.