The Future of Fly Fishing in America ?

rw wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:



We buy everything from food to vacations on credit cards, but pay them
off in
30 days or less.


Me, too. Then I get the airfare miles, which lowers the cost of my
fishing trips. Not to mention the float. It's a great deal, and I don't
understand why everyone doesn't do it. The way I look at it, the suckers
who are paying credit-card interest are subsidizing my vacation travel.


....and, i'll expect a proper thank you in july. g

jeff

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

If I have a vice besides fly fishing, it is...

Mass murder.

Common......oh, so common.

Wolfgang

slenon wrote:
You, of all people on roff, should be
among the first to be appalled and disgusted that anyone in their
right mind could, in the 21st century, declare in public that
"Malthus was correct."
Ken Fortenberry

Whether or not he was a racist, in an otherwise unchecked populace, famine,
disease, & war will reduce populations to the limits that the ecological
area can support. I don't have to like the man or his other beliefs to
acknowledge that populations do not increase unchecked.

Stevee, the sum total of what you don't know about human population
genetics would have to be just about equal to the sum total of what
we do know about human population genetics.

Wait a few years until Bird flu makes the genetic leap into the common human
strains and we'll continue this discussion. If we both can.

I rest my case.

--
Ken Fortenberry

slenon wrote:
You, of all people on roff, should be
among the first to be appalled and disgusted that anyone in their
right mind could, in the 21st century, declare in public that
"Malthus was correct."
Ken Fortenberry

Whether or not he was a racist, in an otherwise unchecked populace, famine,
disease, & war will reduce populations to the limits that the ecological
area can support. I don't have to like the man or his other beliefs to
acknowledge that populations do not increase unchecked.

Stevee, the sum total of what you don't know about human population
genetics would have to be just about equal to the sum total of what
we do know about human population genetics.

Wait a few years until Bird flu makes the genetic leap into the common human
strains and we'll continue this discussion. If we both can.

I rest my case.

--
Ken Fortenberry

JR opines:

I don't have a penny of credit card debt, and yet somehow I too find
public paroxysms of condescending, self-satisfied, self-congratulatory
hubris on the part of middle-aged, upper-middle-class white guys more than
a little smarmy.

Ahhh, gee. No appreciation for a Kinder, Gentler ****ing Contest. Too sad.
But I do thank you for referring to me as "middle-aged."

Dave LaCourse wrote:

But I do thank you for referring to me as "middle-aged."

You're welcome, of course, though it's just a trick I use to convince
myself *I'm* still young. g

JR

JR wrote:

I don't have a penny of credit card debt, and yet somehow I too find
public paroxysms of condescending, self-satisfied, self-congratulatory
hubris on the part of middle-aged, upper-middle-class white guys more than
a little smarmy.

How about middle-aged, ex-NBA/NFL black guys wearing lots of bling
bling. :-)

Good for you for not carrying credit-card debt. It's just about the most
financially stupid, self destructive thing anyone could do, especially
if they have dependents.

Credit card debt is at an all-time high in the US, and keeps on growing.
It's especially troublesome among young people, possibly because many of
them can't resist the seductiveness of immediate gratification, but
probably also because they don't have confidence in the future, which is
perfectly understandable given the way our government has been
conducting its fiscal affairs lately.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

JR wrote:

I don't have a penny of credit card debt, and yet somehow I too find
public paroxysms of condescending, self-satisfied, self-congratulatory
hubris on the part of middle-aged, upper-middle-class white guys more than
a little smarmy.

How about middle-aged, ex-NBA/NFL black guys wearing lots of bling
bling. :-)

Good for you for not carrying credit-card debt. It's just about the most
financially stupid, self destructive thing anyone could do, especially
if they have dependents.

Credit card debt is at an all-time high in the US, and keeps on growing.
It's especially troublesome among young people, possibly because many of
them can't resist the seductiveness of immediate gratification, but
probably also because they don't have confidence in the future, which is
perfectly understandable given the way our government has been
conducting its fiscal affairs lately.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:15:47 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
George Cleveland wrote:
nightmare scenario snipped
... So if you want to come to
WI and fish for small stream brookies you might want to make the
effort soon.

May God Damn the Republican Party.

Amen to that brother, Amen to that.

Um, I, for one, would love to hear the theory under which you and your
brother seem to:
a) feel the taxpayers of the US of A should subsidize you or anyone else
with free or essentially-free public fishing,

The laws concerning stream navigation don't have anything to do
with fishing per se but rather are founded on the commerce clause
in Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution. Basically, if a stream is
navigable it has to be open to the public, not necessarily for
fishing but for transporting goods.

In Wisconsin a stream is deemed navigable if you can float a
canoe on it during its highest water. By that standard most
Wisconsin streams are deemed navigable and are therefore public
waters. You can fish on public water so long as you stay in
the water (or below the high water mark, that changes from time
to time) and don't cross private land to get in the water.
This is not hard because every bridge on every public road in
Wisconsin has a public easement, so if you enter the water
at a bridge you're entering on public land.

What the GOP wants to do is change the definition of navigable
from canoe at highest water to six hundred foot tow barge full
of iron ore at lowest water. (Or something like that. ;-)

A reasonable reply. But it is not reasonable that "navigable" be
determined the "commerce clause" by a canoe, high or low water. It
is simply one side using a technical point to get what it wants.
Apparently, the what makes it "reasonable" to you is that you happen to
want that, too.

And for the record, I don't support privatization so commercial
interests can exploit the land, I simply support privatization because
"the public" simply isn't entitled to the amount of land now deemed
"public." I wish all landowners could simply put up a sign that said
"Fishers/hunters/hikers/birdwatchers/whatever welcome" and all would
treat the landowner, their land, and its resources with respect and
dignity. But that simply isn't going to happen and I've experienced it
firsthand. We _never_ denied permission on our land until we got sick
of the bull****, including, in some places, allowing such free access to
make it de facto public land (like Colorado). Now, if asked and I don't
know the person personally and trust them, it's "Do you see the 'No
Trespassing' signs?" and if the DO trespass, we call law enforcement. I
feel regret every time I have to turn a seemingly decent stranger away,
but I consider myself a steward, and doing such unfortunately necessary.

TC,
R

Stevee, the sum total of what you don't know about human population
genetics would have to be just about equal to the sum total of what
we do know about human population genetics.

Wait a few years until Bird flu makes the genetic leap into the common
human strains and we'll continue this discussion. If we both can.

I rest my case.
Ken Fortenberry

"We?" You and your alter ego majored in what hard science? How many hours
have you spent transferring viral cultures? Phage typing? Hemaglutination
typing?

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

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